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Post by Amadan on Nov 19, 2016 21:35:26 GMT -5
A strong military is socialistic, for example, because we can't all defend ourselves against outside forces. Only for a certain strain of libertarians who consider any government spending "socialist." Otherwise, no - that's a ridiculous statement. Socialism actually has a definition, and while there are different kinds and degrees of socialism, it is not useful to mangle the term beyond recognition, as people (mostly conservatives) have been doing for the last couple of decades.
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Post by Christine on Nov 19, 2016 21:46:14 GMT -5
A strong military is socialistic, for example, because we can't all defend ourselves against outside forces. Only for a certain strain of libertarians who consider any government spending "socialist." Otherwise, no - that's a ridiculous statement. Socialism actually has a definition, and while there are different kinds and degrees of socialism, it is not useful to mangle the term beyond recognition, as people (mostly conservatives) have been doing for the last couple of decades. Fair enough. I think of socialism (or maybe there's a better word for it) as, at its core, things we need to pool resources for and then provide equally to all, though central government. The reasons could be different, either because it's more economical or more efficient or more crucial or more moral, or some combination. Not to say that the way I view it is how it's been defined.
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Post by celawson on Nov 21, 2016 12:48:35 GMT -5
One thing I'm interpreting as part of the left's bubble is what seems to be a trend currently of quite publicly mocking the soon-to-be first family. Gigi Hadid did it on the AMA's last night and is getting reamed (rightly so, IMO). I mean, it's one thing when SNL does it to Trump with wit and talent and at least a kernel of truth (sometimes way more than a kernel), and they do mock the other side (even if not 50/50). But Hadid's impression of Melania last night was a disgrace, not only in lack of talent but in the bubble ensconced assumption that pretty much everyone out there would agree with her and find the act funny. Well, I hate to break it to her, but HALF THE COUNTRY DISAGREES WITH HER POLITICAL VIEWS. And a lot more than that have more respect or consideration for someone who by what I can gather is a decent person and did not ask to be thrust into this sort of political limelight. Did she really think America would enjoy this impression? I honestly think, because she is surrounded by her political echo chamber, that she really thought people would like it. And apparently so did the producers of the show. www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/entertainment/gigi-hadid-melania-trump-ama/
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Post by Amadan on Nov 21, 2016 13:08:23 GMT -5
Celebrities mocking politicians is not something I can really get worked up about.
After Obama's election, I saw more than one person circulating pictures of watermelon patches on the White House lawn. Har har. So yeah, there are going to be nasty jokes, especially with a First Lady who's got nude photos out there.
I don't think that's a leftist bubble, at least no more than celebrity enclaves always are.
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Post by celawson on Nov 21, 2016 13:12:35 GMT -5
Celebrities mocking politicians is not something I can really get worked up about. After Obama's election, I saw more than one person circulating pictures of watermelon patches on the White House lawn. Har har. So yeah, there are going to be nasty jokes, especially with a First Lady who's got nude photos out there. I don't think that's a leftist bubble, at least no more than celebrity enclaves always are. Were those watermelon pictures being shown for entertainment on a major network television show with millions of viewers?
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Post by robeiae on Nov 21, 2016 13:15:50 GMT -5
I think the mocking of Melania is problematic because it seems to based on--of all things--a bit of xenophobia. But true enough, that's a long ways from some of the stuff Michelle (and Obama) has endured. A looooong ways.
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Post by Amadan on Nov 21, 2016 13:17:08 GMT -5
Were those watermelon pictures being shown for entertainment on a major network television show with millions of viewers? No, but I still don't think there's ever been a social norm against entertainers mocking politicians. Some of the mockery may be crass, but I think Hollywood is pretty much a leftist bubble by definition. Of all the things to get outraged about, a C-list celeb making fun of the First Lady seems pretty thin.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 21, 2016 13:18:09 GMT -5
"C-list" seems a tad thin, as well...
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Post by celawson on Nov 21, 2016 13:22:00 GMT -5
I'm not outraged, though I am very against Hadid's "performance", for several reasons. My point is that only in the leftist bubble of Hollywood, would a sketch like that seem appropriate for a major network awards show.
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Post by Amadan on Nov 21, 2016 13:32:34 GMT -5
"C-list" seems a tad thin, as well... Well, I'd never heard of her before. Will anyone know who she is in five years?
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Post by robeiae on Nov 21, 2016 13:39:06 GMT -5
I was thinking "D-list," myself. But then, I'm mean.
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Post by celawson on Nov 21, 2016 13:46:02 GMT -5
She's VERY well known by the younger demographic, which is why she was asked to host the AMAs. (I have two daughters ) She has over 23 million Instagram followers. I think that's well known.
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