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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 23:24:42 GMT -5
I had good role models.
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Post by Angie on Nov 9, 2016 23:38:37 GMT -5
Awww...get a load of NG, getting all indignant and stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 23:50:53 GMT -5
Just you people wait until I figure out exactly what my modly powers are. I'm pretty sure Trump is going to establish gulags.
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Post by haggis on Nov 9, 2016 23:59:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Trump can't spell "gulags." Much less know what the word means.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 0:08:03 GMT -5
That's where Putin comes in.
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Post by Don on Nov 10, 2016 6:08:05 GMT -5
I voted business as usual, with a side order of things may improve. Not because of anything the political class does better, but because we may finally have a re-engaged left when it comes to foreign adventurism, personal liberties, and the war on drugs. They've been sound asleep the last eight years.
Add in the eight new nullifications of the drug war this election (4 medical states, 4 personal consumption states) and new tech moving faster than FedGov can regulate it, and the future actually has some shiny edges around the storm clouds.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 10, 2016 6:25:23 GMT -5
robo, can I shmoo people? please say yes. I don't know. I'm still figuring things out. You can try. But please don't accidentally ban anyone or otherwise cause them to disappear in a puff of smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:49:29 GMT -5
robo, can I shmoo people? please say yes. I don't know. I'm still figuring things out. You can try. But please don't accidentally ban anyone or otherwise cause them to disappear in a puff of smoke. damn it. you're no fun. Anyway. I'm much less sanguine than c.e.lawson about the next four years, and somewhat less so than rob or don -- yet still less pessimistic than many. I cannot regard this as an exciting experiment. Nor do I think it will be business as usual. At a minimum, I think this guy is going to embarrass us regularly, alienate our allies, and make rash decisions. I think his administration will rip out obamacare without a viable plan to replace it. (And despite thinking obamacare is deeply flawed, now that it's here, I don't think one can simply rip it out without a viable plan in place.) I predict Trump and his administration are going to do a lot of things I don't like, and a lot of things most of us on both sides of the aisle are going to think unwise or cringeworthy. But I think fears of mass deportations are overblown. I just don't think that's where his priorities are. Mostly hot air and red meat for his constituency, IMO. That wall around Mexico? yeah, I doubt he'll attempt it. I have a strong feeling his administration will open with some scandal about Trump University, his taxes, etc. etc. I'll enjoy watching that. And I think a lot of his voters are going to be disappointed. I do not think the guy is a conservative. He was a pro-choice Democrat at one time, and he thought Bill Clinton was an awesome president. I don't see him making outlawing abortion his main priority. I think he's more likely to pick justices who might favor, e.g., tax policy that helps billionaires. At bottom, I'm not sure the guy has deep convictions, conservative or otherwise, outside of I Will Win. While I agree he's likely to delegate a lot of stuff to Pence, et al., I also think they'll find it impossible to control him. He's going to do things that appall them, or I greatly miss my guess.
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Post by Angie on Nov 10, 2016 13:59:49 GMT -5
I agree, Cass - with one extra worry: that the more theocratic-leaning congressmen are going to think they have a mandate from the masses to start dismantling the separation of church and state. There have already been small steps made that way (think "religious freedom" laws which take away the discrimination protections for certain classes - i.e. LGBTQ people). With a sympathetic Supreme Court and a president whose thoughts on the subject are...unpredictable, at best, they could undo some pretty important building blocks for a wall we're actually *supposed* to have.
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Post by Don on Nov 10, 2016 17:18:31 GMT -5
My fantasy:
Trump shows up on inauguration day, takes the oath, removes the ugly orange tribble from his head and says "Thanks for electing the reality star, folks, but a huge mantle has just descended on my shoulders, and it's time to get real. There will be no wall, no mass deportations, no interment camps for LGBT people, so take a chill pill. Oh, and you potheads? Smoke 'em if you've got em. It's time to turn the economy back over to the productive class on Main Street instead of the political class on Wall Street. Think of me as Andy Jackson, here to kill the central bank and cronyism, minus the relocating indigenous people part."
He could stop right there and I'd be happy, although something about minding our own business internationally and ending snooping on citizens would be a nice addition.
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Post by Don on Nov 16, 2016 21:33:35 GMT -5
What Trump Can Do for Us
It always amazes that some people consider Reason a conservative, Republican or right-wing site when they publish people like Jacob Sullum on a regular basis. His opinion of Trump (and his growing legion of reluctant fans) pulls no punches: I hope most fervently that he's right. I think Trump's behavior will be a tremendous boost to the peer-to-peer and underground economies, as his deep connections to the political class and the status quo become more obvious, and as more and more people decide to opt out of what the political class has been selling and make their own way. Some of the things he's talking about doing will drive any decent person to lawlessness if they come to fruition. From my viewpoint, the more people who question the legitimacy of the government's actions, the better. But he also raises another interesting point. Worthwhile point to keep in mind, or just semantic pedantry?
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 17, 2016 12:49:10 GMT -5
One thing about Trump is that he's probably easy to manipulate by flattery. I don't get why people in politics who have disagreements from him don't try that.
"Mr. Trump, I know you're so wise and powerful, and you'll see we'll make America great again if we just do blah, blah, blah."
Actually, I think Paul Ryan might be doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 13:02:33 GMT -5
You might well be right that this is what Ryan is doing, and that it might work. But then, it doesn't seem to be working out so well for Christie...
Me, I'm really, really crappy at insincere flattery. But then, that's one reason why I'm not in politics.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 18, 2016 22:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Nov 19, 2016 3:24:31 GMT -5
Hahahahaha. Srsly? At last count, 95% of the voters chose someone under investigation by one or the other departments of the government they've just been put in charge of.
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