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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Aug 18, 2017 14:36:49 GMT -5
That's a start. Sessions needs to go next.
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Post by mikey on Aug 18, 2017 14:40:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 15:39:15 GMT -5
Sorry Vince524 ! I looked for a Bannon thread in politics, but didn't check current events. Anyway. I'm very happy to have Bannon out. Trump reputedly listens to the last voice in his ear, and that was not a good voice. I'd like to get Gorka and Miller out, too. (Well, let's face it, I'd like to get Trump out, but it will help if we get rid of the worst of his advisers.) I'd actually put them over Sessions, though I'm not fond of him, either. I regret to say this, but there is the possibility Trump could choose someone worse than Sessions. Session at least has refused to participate in getting rid of Mueller, at least had enough integrity to recuse himself from the Russia investigation -- Trump clearly sees him as someone in his way, which is reason enough for me to think that maybe we're better off keeping him than anyone Trump might replace him with. I don't think Trump could possibly choose anyone worse than Bannon, and I'm pretty much there with Gorka and Miller, too
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Post by robeiae on Aug 18, 2017 18:49:38 GMT -5
I think Bannon's exit ups the odds significantly of Trump eventually resigning, himself. I'd make it at about 5-2 (before the end of his first term) right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 19:02:51 GMT -5
I think Bannon's exit ups the odds significantly of Trump eventually resigning, himself. I'd make it at about 5-2 (before the end of his first term) right now. I agree, right down to the odds.
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Post by haggis on Aug 18, 2017 23:25:08 GMT -5
One can only hope.
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Post by maxinquaye on Aug 19, 2017 10:36:34 GMT -5
I think Bannon's exit ups the odds significantly of Trump eventually resigning, himself. I'd make it at about 5-2 (before the end of his first term) right now. I agree, right down to the odds. You know that if Trump resigns, you'll lose the incompetent wanker who does Trumpism no favours, and end up with Mike Pence who is far more intelligent and actually gets along with people and lawmakers, and gets things done...?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 10:46:53 GMT -5
I agree, right down to the odds. You know that if Trump resigns, you'll lose the incompetent wanker who does Trumpism no favours, and end up with Mike Pence who is far more intelligent and actually gets along with people and lawmakers, and gets things done...? I doubt the policies will be different than Trump's would, and we can vote them out and reverse them in a couple of years. Trump may do damage we cannot undo. Pence at least will not start a nuclear war on a whim. ETA: Pence would also be operating on clean-up duty and under a considerable cloud. That's going to limit his ability to push for things that don't have road popular support. The very far right wingers will be angry and he may lose their active support -- he never would have won the presidency on his own. I predict what we'd get is a very bland conservative administration, followed by a Democratic administration.
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Post by Don on Aug 19, 2017 15:43:56 GMT -5
OTOH, Pence might see his ascension to the throne as a sign from on high and go on an Executive Order spree. "Onward, Christian Soldiers" strikes me as a terrible national anthem. www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh575.sht
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 15:53:27 GMT -5
There's a limit to what presidents can do with executive orders. He can't reverse Roe v Wade or make same-sex marriage illegal. He can't do away with the separation of church and state. And he's no Trump type who would keep pushing the envelope regardless of the likelihood of success.
Unless I very much misread him, he's a cautious guy. He will focus on stuff that, yeah, progressives won't love, but that the center is OK with and conservatives love. Tax reform-type stuff. Stuff we can vote out and reverse.
He cannot singlehandedly usher in a theocracy, even if he'd love to do it. Particularly when he's be entering office not on a populist wave, but under a big cloud of dust from the imploding Trump presidency.
Not to mention -- he may or might not keep his Republican majority in Congress, but even if he does, they are divided enough, and the Democrats are holding together enough, that he's pretty unlikely to herd them into anything too extreme.
I think his presidency would be, overall, boring. Especially compared to Trump's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 16:05:08 GMT -5
Also, he's much too cautious to assail the free press, openly pat white supremacists on the back, attack our allies and goad North Korea. He won't be kissing Putin's ass all the time. He won't tweet crazy shit. He won't golf every weekend or discuss state business in front of Mar-a-lago staff or leak classified info. And I won't spend sleepless night worrying about him with the nuclear codes.
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Post by haggis on Aug 19, 2017 22:32:07 GMT -5
One step at a time.
Like Cass says, Pence may be wrong but he's not suffering from a mental illness that I know of. I'd be much more comfortable with Pence's finger on the button than Trump's. I'd, of course, be much more comfortable if we could cut off all their fingers. But that's a different thread, or perhaps a horror story I ought to consider working on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 22:44:39 GMT -5
oh, I'd read that horror story.
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Post by haggis on Aug 19, 2017 23:12:02 GMT -5
oh, I'd read that horror story. IIRC, Stephen King wrote a short story called Fingers, or something like that. ETA: Survivor Type. It's a good story.
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