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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 17:45:24 GMT -5
I read somewhere that certain inheritable hormone imbalances and genetic variances and such are linked with violent tendencies -- that someone who has them might not necessarily become violent, but has a greater likelihood of it. But I am no scientist, so I might be totally misunderstanding it.
I guess, given the complete lack of motivation so far, I'm struggling for an answer as to why he might do such a horrible, senseless thing. I mean, so far we don't even have a horrible motivation like "I hate country western fans."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 17:46:42 GMT -5
My sister and nieces are okay. So far they know of at least two friends who were wounded. I'm glad your family is OK. I'm sorry about the friends -- I hope they recover.
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Post by michaelw on Oct 2, 2017 17:47:51 GMT -5
^ Same. Hope their friends are able to recover quickly.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 2, 2017 17:58:33 GMT -5
Read something from someone who said they were there and their mom protected her with her own body while they watched a young girl get shot only a few feet away.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 18:17:27 GMT -5
I'm declaring my personal peace with all of y'all for the night. I shall not argue with you, not even Angie. Take care of yourselves and your loved ones and let's hope the world gets better and not worse.
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Post by robeiae on Oct 3, 2017 7:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 3, 2017 9:43:15 GMT -5
I keep seeing stuff not only about how now is the time to talk gun control, but also about white privilege. Because the shooter was white, therefore white privilege if we don't call him a terrorist.
Never mind his targets were mostly whites too.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 3, 2017 9:50:40 GMT -5
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Post by Amadan on Oct 3, 2017 10:33:06 GMT -5
Shame on you, Vince. A ton of people are circulating conspiracy theories, right on schedule, and here you are doing your part. He says, before going off into conspiracy theory land. Let's start with the fully automated weapons. The shooter had AR-15s, as I understand it. Modifying them from semi-auto to fully automatic is not that difficult. I don't know how to do it myself, offhand, but could probably figure it out with half an hour of Google searching. So even assuming he wasn't a "gun guy," if he had the motivation to do this thing in the first place, he could easily have had the motivation to learn a bit of gunsmithing that's about as difficult as changing a lock. What does he base this on? "Just the right hotel room"? Meaning, one that overlooked his intended fire zone? There were probably dozens of hotel rooms on that side of the building on that or adjacent floors that would have served equally well. What's his evidence that this was the one perfect room? Buying 10 rifles and a hotel room for a week is hardly that expensive, as terrorist attacks go. The writer is trying to make it sound like this was some highly organized, well-funded operation, when in fact it's something anyone with a few thousand dollars in the bank could have done. Okay, fucking seriously? What reports? From who? Who is this woman? This sounds exactly like the sort of shaggy dog story you hear after every such event - "Someone's brother's cousin's girlfriend's pilates instructor said they heard someone warning someone that something really bad was going to happen just before something really bad happened! It's a conspiracy!" Yes, this crime right now looks pretty extraordinary (beyond the high body count) because the shooter doesn't fit any obvious profiles (other than "white guy") and his motives remain completely opaque at this time. But if you are going to post links to someone peddling Truther-level nonsense, Vince, at least apply some critical thinking and commentary of your own.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 11:02:55 GMT -5
We all need to be careful and skeptical on this one.
I do think there's a special weirdness to this atrocity, but not so much in the areas that author thinks.
The hotel room, for example. Nothing at all weird about that. The guy was a long-time Vegas gambler. He knew the area, likely the hotel. He makes a reservation, requests a particular floor and view, pays $200 or whatever the room price is, and boom. My mother, less of a Vegas regular than this guy, could have done it.
The concert was well-publicized, and an obvious target-rich environment.
And, well, it's just not that hard to stock up on guns if you have the money and inclination, as this guy apparently did.
The thing I find strange about this attack (aside, obviously, from killing 59 people and wounding 500+) is that the guy's demographics and everything we know about him so far doesn't seem to square up with the victims he chose and what he did. I'm sure there's an explanation, but we don't know what it is yet. A 64 year old white rural retiree country music fan with no history of violence slaughtering a bunch of mostly white country music fans -- not what one would expect. He is way off the profile for an ISIS recruit and he doesn't smell like antifa, and if he is a white supremacist, that's a strange target he chose. That, IMO, is the thing I can't find an explanation for at the moment. I'm not going all grassy knoll on it -- I just think we're missing a piece or ten just now.
But let's not make mysteries out of things that are pretty readily explained. Nothing particularly clever about him getting that hotel room, at all.
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On the family thing, it occurs to me that my own family has never seen my current (10+ years) apartment. They couldn't put a name to most of my friends. They have no idea what I do with myself on a day to day basis. It could very well be that this guy's family just didn't have much of a clue about what was really going on with him.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 3, 2017 12:21:19 GMT -5
I don't consider that a conspiracy theory, as much as it is noting how strange it is.
If he were an ISIS or White Nationalist or Right Wing Militia that was plotting and planning this out to make a political move, spending that amount of $ and getting that hotel room would fit right in. But so far, that doesn't seem to fit.
It looks like to me more like one of those cases where someone snaps and uses a gun to kill their family or coworkers, what we've called going postal. Often that comes with a specific 'trigger' that causes a break from reality. Only this was on a much more massive scale and these people weren't family, friends or coworkers. They were complete strangers, but strangers that fit into his own profile.
If he had targeted gay people, black people, someone of a different religion, we could speculate he had whatever anger issues and had built that group up to be the boogeyman and that he needed to exact some sort of revenge on them, but this doesn't fit that mold.
It also doesn't fit the mold of wanting to kill people he knew because they didn't help him, or didn't care that he was suffering. Nor does it fit him killing people to save them from the life they're suffering from.
Please understand, I'm not saying any of these things make it ok for him to kill, I'm trying to understand what drove him to it.
What I found interesting about the above article is that it acknowledges that this doesn't seem to fit established patterns.
Because of that, people are trying to comprehend what happened. I don't know that we'll ever have the answer, unless my brain tumor theory pans out.
It's all speculation right now.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 3, 2017 12:39:57 GMT -5
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Post by Amadan on Oct 3, 2017 12:59:40 GMT -5
Trying to understand his motives is natural and understandable, but the link you posted was definitely suggesting (while claiming not to suggest it) that there was some larger, more sinister scheme in place. Framing it as if the combination of weapons, location, and timing couldn't possibly be just the work of one deranged killer with so-far inscrutable motives. I am seeing this elsewhere - people don't want to believe one guy went off his rocker and did an inexplicable thing, and it doesn't fit any conventional narratives, so they want to make up shit that does.
You are not spreading information. You are spreading random speculation by people who know no more than you or I.
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Post by Angie on Oct 3, 2017 14:43:59 GMT -5
Okay, fucking seriously? What reports? From who? Who is this woman? This sounds exactly like the sort of shaggy dog story you hear after every such event - "Someone's brother's cousin's girlfriend's pilates instructor said they heard someone warning someone that something really bad was going to happen just before something really bad happened! It's a conspiracy!" This part actually is a thing. I don't know how reliable this witness is (it sounds a whole lot like an embellishment to a story in order to sound more dramatic in front of a camera), but it was actually something a witness said.
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Post by Amadan on Oct 3, 2017 14:52:40 GMT -5
Okay, fucking seriously? What reports? From who? Who is this woman? This sounds exactly like the sort of shaggy dog story you hear after every such event - "Someone's brother's cousin's girlfriend's pilates instructor said they heard someone warning someone that something really bad was going to happen just before something really bad happened! It's a conspiracy!" This part actually is a thing. I don't know how reliable this witness is (it sounds a whole lot like an embellishment to a story in order to sound more dramatic in front of a camera), but it was actually something a witness said. Color me skeptical. Without some pretty solid corroboration, I consider it far more likely that either (a) this woman didn't exist; or (b) she was a crazy woman who shouts the kinds of crazy shit crazy people do, and coincidentally something crazy happened soon after; than (c) she is somehow connected with the shooting or knew about it beforehand.
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