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Post by robeiae on Nov 23, 2016 9:47:33 GMT -5
Frankly, moving to DC and the White House (and being in the social circles there) was a big step up for the Obamas and the Clintons. This isn't the case for the Trumps.
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Post by celawson on Nov 23, 2016 10:37:19 GMT -5
I have a feeling little Barron and Melania will be traveling to DC on weekends, not Trump to NY. Once Trump starts the job and sees how busy he is, and the hassle of him going to NY, I don't think he will do it much. I also think Melania is a little shell shocked right now and trying to keep some normalcy. They will adjust.
And yeah, Cass, I have rich friends who do that "live someplace else for the summer while dad stays in the city and works" thing. It's weird.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 10:51:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm getting the sense Melania is not thrilled he won. She has struck me throughout the election as someone who would prefer to have her private life and was very reluctant about doing the spouse thing on the campaign trail. You're probably right that she's shell-shocked, c.e. In all sincerity, I would not be her or little Barron for a kingdom. I'm not sure they ever had anything approaching what I'd consider a normal family life -- but to the extent they did, they won't now.
I hope the press will lay off Barron. I've always hated the way the press tends to jump on the First Kids -- who, whatever one thinks of their parents, did not ask for their position.
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Post by Angie on Nov 23, 2016 12:44:01 GMT -5
I hope the press will lay off Barron. I've always hated the way the press tends to jump on the First Kids -- who, whatever one thinks of their parents, did not ask for their position. Me too. Minor children of presidents should be off-limits. I also hate the slut-shaming bullshit about Melania I've seen in some circles. While Trump says he talked with his family before running, I'm guessing Melania had little more say in the matter than Barron did. The fact that she posed for some nude photos is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. There are much more important things to worry about.
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 23, 2016 13:22:21 GMT -5
if Trump does a lot of back and forth, that means less time spent in front of cameras or with world leaders. That's got to be a good thing, right? Between travel time and golf, maybe we can zero out his entire schedule... This right here, though, is a good point. Tell ya what. Let's move him out near the golf course. We can build him a nice gold-plated mansion out there. It would be cheaper than protecting him in Manhattan. Plus, if someone wanted to take a shot at him, they'd have to yell out FORE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ben on Nov 24, 2016 0:00:14 GMT -5
As far as the cost of Secret Service protection and whatnot, yeah it may add up to some seven digit number, but in the whole scheme of things it isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the sizes of bills a President signs or doesn't sign. www.usdebtclock.org/Have y'all ever seen NYC when a president merely visits to attend a fundraiser? They lock down a whole neighborhood. All traffic is routed around it. and keep in mind the traffic situation is bad enough already. It sucks for everyone in it and around it -- but at least it's just for a day or two. (I've had to show police ID to get past a blockade onto my own street and get home.) This will be midtown Fifth Avenue, for months or even years, if rumor is correct. We're not set up for that, nor can we realistically be set up for that. It will be a damn zoo, and it will affect millions of us. And, OMG, forget the traffic lockdown when a president visits. It can take hours to get in and out of the city. They close shit. Again, too many people, no damn room for this kind of thing long term. What, every Friday and Sunday night he and his entourage will lock up the corridor between JFK and the city? The businesses in Trump Place and the block or ten around that part of Fifth Avenue can just shut down? In another place it might not be so ridiculous. In NYC, it's insanity. This is why we have a presidential residence. Y'all might not be shrugging if you lived here. ETA: heh. and to add insult to injury, NYC, especially Manhattan, voted overwhelmingly against Trump. Wall Street might be booming now tgat tge uncertainty has lifted -- but trust me, I know a butt load of bankers and Clinton was the one they wanted. Y'all in the red states can take the dude. You've got a lot more room for his security detail, too. Yeah. It happens in Atlanta too when the President visits, which fortunately is maybe every other year. Interstate traffic is stop-and-go even without Presidential visits. I recall hearing about Bill Clinton (and from some conservative source), when he was at the end of his visit to a big city and it was rush hour, he'd delay his motorcade departure from wherever he was at for a couple hours in deference to people trying to get home. Or maybe he was just doing something else with his time, who knows. No doubt those bankers made big donations to the Clinton Campaign Foundation and/or paid her to speak, and they're pissed their money didn't pay off (this election cycle).
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 28, 2016 13:13:48 GMT -5
So as to not start another thread, but it also looks like there's a thing about Barron as to whether or not he might be somewhere on the autistic scale. Rosie weighed in on this as well. www.aol.com/article/2016/11/27/rosie-odonnell-clarifies-her-stance-after-she-wondered-if-barro/21614952/I find this to be very troublesome. There is no shame in being autistic, but often times, there is a lot of bullying. If he is or isn't is a private matter. If the Trumps want to make it public, they can, but I find it very distasteful that people would be discussing it, or speculating about it.
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Post by nighttimer on Nov 28, 2016 13:22:56 GMT -5
With the exception of any extra $, I have a hard time getting upset over this. I do feel the kid is going to be used as a political bat against Trump. Different rules apply to Trump family than Obama family, as was evidenced by that comics skit on Melania. Different rules apply to Trump family than Obama family? I'd really love to know what those "different rules" are that are applying to the Trumps, but I'm not holding my breath waiting in vain for details. We've never had a First Lady with nude pics available online for anyone who wants to check out her bod. Is that one of those "different rules" you're talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 13:31:47 GMT -5
So as to not start another thread, but it also looks like there's a thing about Barron as to whether or not he might be somewhere on the autistic scale. Rosie weighed in on this as well. www.aol.com/article/2016/11/27/rosie-odonnell-clarifies-her-stance-after-she-wondered-if-barro/21614952/I find this to be very troublesome. There is no shame in being autistic, but often times, there is a lot of bullying. If he is or isn't is a private matter. If the Trumps want to make it public, they can, but I find it very distasteful that people would be discussing it, or speculating about it. Rosie, the media, and everyone else should leave the First Children the hell alone. Lambast their parents, fine. But leave the kids out of it. That includes faux concern over medical/mental health issues they might or might not have.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 28, 2016 13:58:25 GMT -5
So as to not start another thread, but it also looks like there's a thing about Barron as to whether or not he might be somewhere on the autistic scale. Rosie weighed in on this as well. www.aol.com/article/2016/11/27/rosie-odonnell-clarifies-her-stance-after-she-wondered-if-barro/21614952/I find this to be very troublesome. There is no shame in being autistic, but often times, there is a lot of bullying. If he is or isn't is a private matter. If the Trumps want to make it public, they can, but I find it very distasteful that people would be discussing it, or speculating about it. Then don't discuss it. Seriously. When you say "if he is or isn't is a private matter," you're legitimizing the discussion, or at least the question.
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 28, 2016 17:04:19 GMT -5
So as to not start another thread, but it also looks like there's a thing about Barron as to whether or not he might be somewhere on the autistic scale. Rosie weighed in on this as well. www.aol.com/article/2016/11/27/rosie-odonnell-clarifies-her-stance-after-she-wondered-if-barro/21614952/I find this to be very troublesome. There is no shame in being autistic, but often times, there is a lot of bullying. If he is or isn't is a private matter. If the Trumps want to make it public, they can, but I find it very distasteful that people would be discussing it, or speculating about it. Then don't discuss it. Seriously. When you say "if he is or isn't is a private matter," you're legitimizing the discussion, or at least the question. I get what you're saying, but people are already talking about it. I'm talking about them talking about it.
Not to split hairs, but it seems like a good distinction. I'm probably expressing it badly.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 28, 2016 17:31:57 GMT -5
Saying "if he is or isn't" suggests there is some likelihood, above and beyond the averages for the population, that he is. And it's based on zero evidence. It's like if I said about a friend of mine--to a roomful of people--if he is or isn't HIV positive is a private matter. See?
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Post by Angie on Nov 29, 2016 14:15:03 GMT -5
Rosie, the media, and everyone else should leave the First Children the hell alone. Lambast their parents, fine. But leave the kids out of it. That includes faux concern over medical/mental health issues they might or might not have. AGREED. As I'm sure I'll have to say again, Barron did not ask for this attention. It's not his fault his dad is who he is, or that he decided to run for President. Leave the kid alone. Also: We've never had a First Lady with nude pics available online for anyone who wants to check out her bod. Is that one of those "different rules" you're talking about? I'm finding it super hypocritical for my fellow liberals to talk about the evils of slut shaming out one side of their mouths...and then slut shame Melania mercilessly. Whether or not she posed for nude photos has NO BEARING on the job the president does or will do. It's disgusting when the far right makes comments on Michelle's appearance or, going back further, Chelsea's appearance. It's equally disgusting to try to humiliate Melania for something she did that was a) not illegal and b) perfectly within her rights as an autonomous adult. I'm confident there will be plenty to criticize Trump for during his presidency. Let's focus on that and leave his family the hell alone.
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Post by Amadan on Nov 29, 2016 16:21:09 GMT -5
I think the fact that Rosie O'Donnell very publicly saw fit to "diagnose" Trump's son with autism is worthy of comment, since it involves celebrities launching public attacks at one another and the boundaries of political discourse. (O'Donnell has hated Trump since long before he ran for President. She does genuinely care about autism, but this looked like a very self-serving and nasty way to pretend to be advocating for her cause while attacking a hated nemesis.)
Having a thread debating whether or not Barron is, in fact, autistic, would be less legit.
As for Melania, I don't think she should be "slut shamed," but ya know, just let Trump or the First Lady say one thing about chastity or modesty or how other people should conduct themselves...
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Post by Angie on Nov 29, 2016 17:01:30 GMT -5
I think the fact that Rosie O'Donnell very publicly saw fit to "diagnose" Trump's son with autism is worthy of comment, since it involves celebrities launching public attacks at one another and the boundaries of political discourse. (O'Donnell has hated Trump since long before he ran for President. She does genuinely care about autism, but this looked like a very self-serving and nasty way to pretend to be advocating for her cause while attacking a hated nemesis.) Having a thread debating whether or not Barron is, in fact, autistic, would be less legit. As for Melania, I don't think she should be "slut shamed," but ya know, just let Trump or the First Lady say one thing about chastity or modesty or how other people should conduct themselves... I agree O'Donnell's comments - and her tearful follow-up - were thinly veiled jabs at Trump. And yeah - if one of them tries to call out someone for being scantily clad or something, then calling out their hypocrisy is totally justified. But not just to say, "lol, we have a slutty First Lady omg!"
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