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Post by Vince524 on Jan 25, 2018 15:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Jan 26, 2018 9:01:22 GMT -5
Hey, if it can happen for a loosie, it can happen for a straw.
A question that should always be asked: Is this law so important that resisting its enforcement deserves a death penalty?
If the answer is no, it's quite likely a bad law.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 26, 2018 9:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Jan 26, 2018 12:43:21 GMT -5
Now don't be sneering at these guys, rob. I've heard it said that professional politicians are a good thing. You're not veering into anti-intellectualism there, are ya?  |
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 26, 2018 13:16:03 GMT -5
Hey, if it can happen for a loosie, it can happen for a straw. A question that should always be asked: Is this law so important that resisting its enforcement deserves a death penalty? If the answer is no, it's quite likely a bad law. I don't want to argue for the sake of argument, but shoplifting is a crime that could result in death if the person resists and becomes an active threat such as pulling a gun or knife or even with their fists. That's not to defend what happened with Eric Garner or the fact that it was a stupid thing to be arrested for (The escalation was on the police, but the arrest was on the law and being asked to enforce it by the mayor who then derided them for it.)
The fact is, assuming the waiter did simply go along, should a waiter be given a conviction of a misdemeanor, be fined 1k and/or be put in jail for this crime. That's the question that is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 13:44:14 GMT -5
I hate straws.
Seriously, though --
I'm not at all opposed to encouraging less use of unnecessary disposable plastic shit that overloads our landfills and chokes our waters, and I think it's also the case that lots of the stuff they just dump on tables gets thrown away unused. BUT the punishment here is entirely too severe and frankly kinda whacko IMO. Surely there is a better way.
Here in NYC, the Whole foods will give you a bag (paper) for your groceries, but gives you a dime for each bag of your own you bring. It's tiny, yes, but I enjoy that every few trips to the grocery store buys me a cup of coffee, and that encourages me to bring a bag. Also, I don't really want a bunch of paper bags hanging around the house. Lots of people feel the same way -- most people here seem to bring their own bags to Whole Foods, from what I've seen. Problem solved -- those who want bags get them. Alternatively, a store could charge a very small fee per bag -- I've traveled to places that did that. It's not much, but it does discourage you from taking a bag unless you want or need one.
When I waited tables, there was a water shortage at some point. The management told us to only give glasses of water when people asked for them, and put a note in the menus telling customers they'd need to ask for water so they didn't just think the wait staff was being lax. Lots of people don't drink water, and it is simply wasted; those who did want it got it. Problem solved.
The success of the latter strategy in particular (waiters tend to do what their management asks with regard to stuff like this) leads me think that a kinder, gentler encouragement aimed at management might have accomplished the goal of less plastic without being ridiculous.
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