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Post by robeiae on Feb 1, 2018 15:11:26 GMT -5
Just because there's so much finger pointing....
And when I say "trust," I mean a general sort of trust to do the right thing in the end, even if specific individuals in some groups might be untrustworthy and might create questionable situations.
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Post by prozyan on Feb 1, 2018 15:15:19 GMT -5
No one.
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Post by robeiae on Feb 1, 2018 15:20:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I should have made that an option. Sorry.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 1, 2018 16:33:39 GMT -5
The dogs of the city. (Yes, the literal dogs.) I was going to say the janitors, but they can't seem to take out the trash.
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Post by franklymydear on Feb 1, 2018 16:43:38 GMT -5
The swamp is getting murkier. Integrity is an unknown concept in USA politics. How Trump was ever elected will be one of the great mysteries future generations will ponder over
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Post by pendragon63 on Feb 2, 2018 1:18:53 GMT -5
The swamp is getting murkier. Integrity is an unknown concept in USA politics. How Trump was ever elected will be one of the great mysteries future generations will ponder over
Here I am, essentially a lifelong Republican, but I see Donald Trump as a disgrace to the presidency. Hopefully, things will get better, but I'm not optimistic. My fondest wish is that there'll be somebody running for president in 2020 that I can feel good about voting for. I've got my fingers crossed! |
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Post by maxinquaye on Feb 2, 2018 14:36:22 GMT -5
The swamp is getting murkier. Integrity is an unknown concept in USA politics. How Trump was ever elected will be one of the great mysteries future generations will ponder over It's the election system, really. First past the post election systems do this to countries. It funnels everythig into two parties, and once the two parties are established, it reduces everything to the lowest common denominator. And then on top of that, you have electors for some of your elections. |
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 2, 2018 14:54:27 GMT -5
It was, on the GOP side, the perfect storm.
1st off, coming off of 2 defeats for the White House, many were desperate to win. Many thought a person with TV experience could pull it off. Fred Thompson got a little of that, but he didn't do well at all in debates when he ran. Of course, Trump is nor Reagan.
2nd off, he sucked the oxygen out of the room. You could have a meaningful debate about ideas, but a few choice moments by Trump and that got all the play. The media gave him tons of coverage. He knows if he says something outrageous they'll cover him. (Not that he can help himself)
3rd, too many GOP candidates. If it had been him against 1 or 2 from the start, say a Rubio, Bush or for the love of God even Cruz, he probably wouldn't have won. I think the serious minded GOPers split between the other's so Trump was looking better than he was.
4th, he managed to spin it so each time he survived, he looked to some as unbeatable.
5th there was an air of not wanting the same old, same old. Even Obama campaigned originally of 'Change you can believe in.' People see our political system as broken, and however one feels about Trump, he doesn't talk like a politician. (Hell, he barely talks like a grown up human being)
On the D side, it was ordained. Nobody challenged Hillary who had that sort of name recognition. Bernie got in under the wire for giving her a run, but we've seen how the Dem's wanted her. (In many ways, it's too bad the GOP didn't do this to someone, anyone on the R side.)
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Post by pendragon63 on Feb 2, 2018 15:38:54 GMT -5
Another factor that led to Trump's election was that the Democrats pretty much nominated the only candidate Trump could beat. Hillary brought lots of negatives to the table, and for many Trump seemed like a breath of fresh air simply because he wasn't part of the Washington establishment. His pledge to "drain the swamp" resonated with lots of voters.
Unfortunately, since taking office he's only helped to make the swamp deeper, and he's turned off many voters with his juvenile tweeting and unpresidential (to put it mildly) demeanor. If he does run again in 2020, it's hard to imagine how he could win reelection...but, of course, many of us thought he couldn't be elected in 2016.
The biggest challenge facing Trump and the GOP now is to hold on to their congressional majorities in the midterm elections. There are indications that it could be a tall order. Stay tuned!
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Post by franklymydear on Feb 2, 2018 16:25:32 GMT -5
A bigger mystery is how a great country like ours got so screwed up that our choice for the presidency in 2016 was between two such pathetic candidates. It's the election system, really. First past the post election systems do this to countries. It funnels everythig into two parties, and once the two parties are established, it reduces everything to the lowest common denominator. And then on top of that, you have electors for some of your elections. Trouble is the 2 party system is entrenched in the Washington fabric. Only way to change it would be from within. And those who are within have no interest in changing a thing. Why would they ? |
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