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Post by markesq on Jun 26, 2018 14:11:54 GMT -5
Christine, with regard to the separation policy you said: "And yet... it's not [illegal/unconstitutional]. It's legal, currently at least. The Trump admin backed off due to public outcry, as far as I can tell, not because they were breaking any laws."
Maybe it's just a misunderstanding but you said it was legal. But just because someone's doing something and getting away with it, that doesn't make it legal.
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Post by Christine on Jun 26, 2018 14:27:15 GMT -5
Christine, with regard to the separation policy you said: "And yet... it's not [illegal/unconstitutional]. It's legal, currently at least. The Trump admin backed off due to public outcry, as far as I can tell, not because they were breaking any laws." Maybe it's just a misunderstanding but you said it was legal. But just because someone's doing something and getting away with it, that doesn't make it legal. This is true and I wasn't trying to dispute any assertion that it was, in fact, illegal or unconstitutional - I read your comment more as an opinion than as an assertion of legal fact. Apologies if I insulted your legal standing on the matter. When I was watching and reading the news as this new Trump policy was being covered, no one talked about illegality or unconstitutionality, so I was unaware this was actually a possibility. It does seem like Trump backed off because of public outcry, unless there was something behind the scenes (lawsuits, etc.) that was really the cause. Regardless, I would be quite pleased if Trump gets sued or held in contempt or impeached or whatever bad thing happens to a POTUS when they do unconstitutional things.
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Post by GilroyC on Jun 26, 2018 19:38:39 GMT -5
Oh I don't know. It feels like civility across the board has died a horrible, painful death due to the focus on the narcissistic need to one up people on Facebook and Twitter. Agree as to Facebook and Twitter, but do you think this is also the case "in real life"? Things are pretty civil, everywhere I go, but I don't get out much, either. Real life? Definitely. Because people are feeling bolder by the Chief being a raving lunatic, so they think of doing the same. I don't think we'd have seen the heckling at the SEC DHS as we did if civility had remained. Departures and impolite gestures, but not the outright heckling. I don't think some of the violence we're seeing when a peaceful protest happens would be there if we had civility in place. If -- and I'm going far out on a limb here -- if the civil rights movement tried to happen in the present environment, MLK would never have told us about his dream, because he'd be drown out by boos and other less pleasant words. That is, if he isn't shot and killed just for stepping to the head of the parade.
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Post by Christine on Jun 26, 2018 20:25:22 GMT -5
Agree as to Facebook and Twitter, but do you think this is also the case "in real life"? Things are pretty civil, everywhere I go, but I don't get out much, either. Real life? Definitely. Because people are feeling bolder by the Chief being a raving lunatic, so they think of doing the same. I don't think we'd have seen the heckling at the SEC DHS as we did if civility had remained. Departures and impolite gestures, but not the outright heckling. I don't think some of the violence we're seeing when a peaceful protest happens would be there if we had civility in place. If -- and I'm going far out on a limb here -- if the civil rights movement tried to happen in the present environment, MLK would never have told us about his dream, because he'd be drown out by boos and other less pleasant words. That is, if he isn't shot and killed just for stepping to the head of the parade. This might shock you, but MLK was often booed and heckled, and received multiple death threats before he was actually shot in the face. My question was whether, in people's day to day interactions, they see incivility. I don't, but I'm a poor sample size. My sense is that most people these days try to live and let live, keep peace with their neighbors, even where there are political differences, but I could be wrong.
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Post by GilroyC on Jun 27, 2018 4:25:38 GMT -5
[]This might shock you, but MLK was often booed and heckled, and received multiple death threats before he was actually shot in the face. Shock? No. But he'd never get to the podium in the modern era. He'd be shot long before then. Maybe I live too close to DC, but the answer is it depends. The more moderate and close knit the community, the more they live and let live. The more polarized and shredded the community, the more there's confrontation and issues. Many articles about the aftermath of the Red Hen incident say that the town isn't reacting, it's those from outside the town who are creating the havoc. The town itself had no care either way. Were the same to happen in DC, things would be much, MUCH worse. Because the mentality is different. A transient city versus a stable community. Heck, I live in a community that suffered through a school shooting this year. We came together as one to support each other in the time of crisis. Even with the military and their contractors constantly rotating through the area, the rest of the community was close. DC activists (and a few of our own slimy local politicians) tried to turn things against people, against each other. No one took the bait.
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Post by robeiae on Jul 1, 2018 13:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by celawson on Jul 1, 2018 16:30:01 GMT -5
But Robo, it was headwear with the acronym for the terribly immoral words "Make America Great Again".
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