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Post by Christine on Jun 24, 2018 17:48:26 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/06/23/why-a-small-town-restaurant-owner-asked-sarah-huckabee-sanders-to-leave-and-would-do-it-again/?utm_term=.4a0753e2cce5From the link, the owner of a Mexican restaurant in VA says of asking Sarah Sanders to leave: Sarah Sanders attempted to dine a Mexican restaurant in Virginia and was asked to leave. A few days ago, Secretary Nielsen visited a different Mexican restaurant and was heckled. Notwithstanding that it seems incredibly obtuse of these individuals to think nothing of publicly dining at Mexican restaurants at this particular time.... I guess the heckling is fair game, it's a free country, and, though unkind, I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the Sec. of DHS. But, outright refusal of service to Sanders on "moral grounds" (the restaurant owner's reason seemed to be, essentially, "I think what you're doing is wrong, so you're not welcome here") seems rather like the argument of the baker and the same-sex wedding cake. I strongly disagree with the baker's claim of a right to refuse service (artist or no) based on his beliefs, so it appears I must also disagree with the restaurant owner. Of course, "Republican," let alone "White House Staff," are not protected classes. And S.S. is rather more in a position of power, as opposed to a minority. But, I think consistency is important, insofar as it may apply. So. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:22:54 GMT -5
Several!
(1) Do not kid yourself. The Trump administration and Sarah Sanders LOOOOVEEE that this happened, and that is the sole and only reason I think people might be better off ignoring and shunning them, but letting them eat, so that we don't play into it. (Note that I do not scold them on their manners, for reasons I elaborate on in (2) below.)
I've noticed there has been quite the rash of Trump admin folks getting a hankering for Mexican food this last week! Danged if Stephen Miller didn't get also hissed out of a Mexican restaurant this week, as well as Kirstjen Nielsen! It is abundantly obvious, and could not possibly be more so, that they deliberately chose Mexican restaurants, hoping to provoke boos and hisses so they could say "TEH LEFT IS SOOOO INTOLERANT!" and distract everyone from their baby cages, etc.
This is what they want. For that reason, and no other we shouldn't give it to them. But other than that, not a damn thing wrong with what the restaurant owner did under the circumstances, IMO.
(2) Sarah Huckabee Sanders works for Donald Trump. Trump and his supporters have made a fucking MANTRA out of "fuck your feelings, snowflake!" They have MAGA t-shirts saying exactly that. Gee, too bad when it's THEIR feelings, they feel differently.
See, this is kind of what happens when you champion a guy who constantly, unrelentingly insults people, mocks the disabled, sneers at opponents, demeans women, dogwhistles race issues, and pushes, hard, the idea of "WE'LL SHOW THESE LIBTURD SNOWFLAKES WHAT WE THINK OF THEIR PC BE-SENSITIVE STUFF!" When it comes to your feelings, we libturds -- very much including me -- are inclined to say "I really don't care, do U?" Or more succinctly, "womp womp." Especially if you are currently, say, advocating putting migrant vermin children in cages.
Um, yeah, fuck their feelings. Really. It took me a while to get here, but that's squarely where I am. I'd prefer people let them eat unmolested, but only because they want people to kick them out so they can crow about how intolerant we are in order to distract the base from maybe, maybe thinking that putting babies in cages is wrong.
(3) As you note, government officials are not a protected class. I've already talked elsewhere about how Masterpiece was not an "it's now A-okay to discriminate against Teh Gays" decision. I'm not going to go into it again here. But suffice to say, it remains legal, as it always has, for an individual business owner to refuse to serve an individual, as long as what we're talking about isn't an "I won't serve some protected class because I don't like that kind of people."
Moreover, we're not talking about the owner being bigoted against someone being black or gay, which are inherent characteristics a person cannot change, but protesting against actions Sarah Huckabee Sanders has taken in her capacity as a government official. Not at all the same thing.
(ETA: BTW, Sarah wasn't refused service because she is a Republican. I am quite sure the restaurant serves lots of those, and would likely roll out the red carpet and be thrilled if, say, the Bushes or Jeff Flake dropped in. This is a pretty specific response to the current actions on the border, from what the restaurant owner said.)
If he were refusing to serve Sarah because she's white, maybe we'd have a problem here. But it's not. It's because she is working for and enabling a government currently taking actions he finds immoral. It's a political protest.
The restaurant owner is also free not to serve his asshole ex-brother-in-law whom he hates.
A side note -- do any of these people think, even if they get served in a Mexican restaurant, the staff will not be spitting in their food? I guarantee you Trump is eating a lot of spit (or worse) at Mar-a-lago, which apparently has many immigrants on the staff.
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So. You own a kosher restaurant in an alternate universe. Hitler comes in. Would you serve him with a smile?
'cause I wouldn't.
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Another NeverTrump conservative, Tom Nichols, noted that a more appropriate, less inflammatory comparison to Sanders, Miller, or Nielson might be Senator McCarthy -- whom Nichols would not serve (nor would I).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by Christine on Jun 24, 2018 18:42:11 GMT -5
The restaurant owner is also free not to serve his asshole ex-brother-in-law whom he hates. This is actually a perfect analogy. Sarah Sanders could qualify as an asshole. GTFO. I'm disturbed by the idea that they (Trump's ilk) may be visiting Mexican restaurants on purpose, to generate backlash and claim victim status. I really hope it's not true. I prefer the tone-deaf excuse. I wouldn't be surprised if you're right, just... even more disgusted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:57:22 GMT -5
The restaurant owner is also free not to serve his asshole ex-brother-in-law whom he hates. This is actually a perfect analogy. Sarah Sanders could qualify as an asshole. GTFO. I'm disturbed by the idea that they (Trump's ilk) may be visiting Mexican restaurants on purpose, to generate backlash and claim victim status. I really hope it's not true. I prefer the tone-deaf excuse. I wouldn't be surprised if you're right, just... even more disgusted. To note: I made this same comment on twitter (ie., that they were doing it on purpose, and why). Never-Trump Republican commentator and strategist Rick Wilson liked it, retweeted it, and last I checked yesterday, I had well over 500 likes on the comment from his readers and a slew of "yes, that's absolutely what is happening" comments. Not that I think that fact proves I'm right, mind you, but it does demonstrate that I'm not the only lunatic thinking this. The worst of the Trump base lives to provoke outrage and tears from liberals (which, of course, is now defined to include conservatives who do not support Trump). It's an instant way to distract them from anything less than awesome that might be happening by turning them to anger and/or glee against the libs. Even those who don't live solely to drink liberal tears will be all "tsk tsk, the left is so intolerant and ill-mannered", so it is still a distraction. This baby in cages story is pretty damn awful, and most of the country agrees, so they need a LOT of distraction at the moment! Truly, I think it's quite remarkable that within a three day span, while YUUUUUGEEE controversy raged at the Mexican border, all of them had a hankering to go out for Mexican. (I know, Rob, I know, you think it's a coincidence. I'd do a poll, but I don't have the heart at the moment and I'm soooooo exhausted.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 19:00:50 GMT -5
Oh, another hilarious comment on Twitter on this. Someone said (paraphrase) "they should have done what she does at the press conferences -- let her order then never bring her her food. Just let her keep asking about it."
I added, in a comment, that after she's bombarded them with unanswered questions for an hour or two, they should bring her a Pickle.
*curtsies*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 19:08:25 GMT -5
Yanno? Come to think of it, that might be what Melania's coat is about, too.
She, or perhaps more likely, someone else at the WH, thought it would be an awesome distraction. The libs and Fake Media could hardly fail to latch onto a coat that says, FFS "I really don't care, do U?", given where she was going that do and the furor that had been raised on the subject.
Then when the inevitable "WTF?! That jacket, FFS" arose, they could tsk tsk on how Teh Left and Fake Media was so mean to poor Melania and so obsessed with silly things like a jacket when here she is being such a humanitarian. And hey, she only wore it on the plane ride, not at the center.
Damn it, I wish I could amend my poll. Because I think that might be it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 19:16:54 GMT -5
Excellent Twitter comment, IMO:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:05:44 GMT -5
To note:
Trump and the worst of his die-hard base know perfectly well that when they shriek "you libs criticized Sanders' eye makeup!" or "you libs didn't serve Sanders in a restaurant!", lots of us going to go into agonies of self-questioning and criticizing that will amplify their howls of "libturds are bad people!" They get to point at our self-questioning and say, see, "even you liberals know you're awful!"
Note that it doesn't really seem to work the same way in reverse. Every. Goddamn. Day. Trump and his surrogates are out there saying and doing horrible stuff -- and doubling down on it. And conservatives and Republicans overwhelmingly (except, of course, for the cast-outside-the-club NeverTrump conservatives) either ignore it or make excuses for it or rationalize it as worthwhile.
It's all a yuuuuuuge win for Trump. Unfortunately, though I am 250% on the side of this restaurant owner, it's probably the best course all round to keep to the highest road, despite the massive provocation (and often justification) to do otherwise. But I'll tell you this -- I'm pretty much done tut-tutting people who do stuff like this on "civility" grounds.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:29:11 GMT -5
Oh, and now indignant Trump supporters are boycotting and giving bad online reviews to all restaurants named The Red Hen, regardless of whether they are have any connection to the restaurant that refused to serve Sanders. Which is, whatever, their right IMO. They don't want to eat there, OK by me. They get to eat where they want, just like I do. (I also suspect the restaurants will make it up with non-Trump supporters.) But I'm totes confused. When it was people boycotting companies because of their NRA connections, consumer boycotts were, as I recall, a totalitarian suppression of gun rights, PC fascism and stuff. Yet when they're about someone being mean to Sarah Sanders, they're a really rad awesome free expression/free market all-American patriotic thing. I'm soooooo confused, Trump supporters.
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Post by Christine on Jun 24, 2018 21:52:45 GMT -5
To be fair, they may have thought the Red Hen was a Russian-Trump spinoff of KFC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:58:49 GMT -5
To be fair, they may have thought the Red Hen was a Russian-Trump spinoff of KFC. Nah. If it was that, they'd LOVE it. (Mmmmm, I want the fried chicken and borsht combo meal, with a side of piroshki.)
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Post by GilroyC on Jun 25, 2018 4:16:25 GMT -5
Well, if I were this restaurant owner, and I'd seen another restaurant suffer from patrons leaving and having their meal disrupted by a Government Official, I'd ask the next Government Official to leave too. This is about business. This is about the bottom line. This, ironically, is about MONEY. Think about it. A person walks in whom your patrons don't care for, how many patrons stay? So how much money just left because this person walked in? How many ask for discounts, or leave earlier than originally planned because of this person? This regime is pushing to have the right to refuse service based on moral grounds. Because they think it will better their bottom lines. Honestly, I think they are now seeing the backlash of such a stance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 9:39:14 GMT -5
Indeed, Gilroy. It would ruin my appetite to sit next to Sanders or Miller right now. I'd leave. I'll bet a lot of customers would.
Frankly, I have zero patience with Trump supporters whining about whether restaurant owners and other individual citizens are being polite when they are, every day, actively and tacitly defending a president who is monstrously rude, crude, nasty, insulting, demeaning, and whose administration has no regard for civil discourse, our constitution, due process, or our rule of law, and on top of it all, thinks it's okay to take babies from parents and dump them in cages.
I'm sorry, Trump supporters. You have forfeited the right to tut-tut us. Look to the board in your own eye, and maybe we can talk about the speck in ours.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 9:46:26 GMT -5
Basically, this:
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