Gunn, Jeong, and the "It's not bad when we do it" Left
Jul 25, 2018 0:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jul 25, 2018 0:10:59 GMT -5
So, this entire debacle has been disappointing, frustrating, and fascinating. Disappointing because I liked both GotG movies and I thought Dawn of the Dead was pretty good (even though I generally hate zombie stuff), and Gunn at least generally came across as a decent guy.
But, his tweets were pretty damned disgusting. He claims they were jokes and he was trying to be edgy and provocative like a shock jock or something, but many of these tweets cross waaaaaaay over the line, in my opinion.
It's been frustrating because, in my eyes, the way many on the left and far-left have reacted gives yet more evidence of a hypocritical "do as I say, not as I do" type of wagon-circling tribalism that has taken over (the right is just as guilty of this. Just look at Trump and all the abortion, infidelity, and "wide stance in airport bathroom gay sex" scandals they've had).
There was Lena Dunham touting the "#BelieveAllWomen" wing of MeToo...until one of her friends and writer on her show was accused of rape and she changed her tune. To be fair, though, she did get called out for that and then backpedaled immediately.
Then, there was Canada's "Virtue Signaler In Chief" Justin Trudeau being hailed as the wokest bae who ever woke-baed, holding everyone in Parliament to some super high moral standard of male feminism and zero tolerance for sexual impropriety/harassment...until it was revealed that he had groped a reporter and suddenly the standard he held everyone else to did not apply to him.
And now there's Gunn, who tweeted some really nasty things about children, and the leftists who (rightly) called for Disney to fire Roseanne over her one tweet, are now defending Gunn's dozens of grotesque tweets, with Hollywood stars whining that he's being ruined by a group of "Cyber Nazis," left-leaning media claiming (without a hint of self-awareness) that he's a victim of the online outrage mob, that he's being wrongly and unfairly attacked by the alt-right, that Disney firing him means they've capitulated to blackmail, and hundreds of thousands of people petitioning Disney to demand they rehire him.
Let me be clear. I do not support, as a general rule, firing or reprimanding someone for a dumb tweet they made recently or several that the made years ago. We're all flawed humans and we all do and have done dumb shit. But, most of us learn and grow and the current person shouldn't automatically be damned for the behavior of the past self (with rare exceptions, of course). But, I do think that Disney should've vetted this guy better before hiring him, though, and I think that people should be more cautious and avoid saying stupid shit online lest it come back to haunt them later.
Hell, even Rian Johnson (worst Star Wars writer/director in history) has now deleted over 20,000 of his tweets as of today. Smart move on his part, and I don't blame him for doing so, but also not the behavior of an innocent person.
I don't really know what my main point is other than this kind of hypocrisy really chaps my ass and given that the left has been the loudest crybabies of moral purity for the past few years (and it was the right for certain parts of the 90s and 00s), it's even more irksome to me when they do it. It doesn't surprise me when it happens on the right. And I guess it doesn't surprise me when it happens on the left. I just hate it more when they do it, because I hate to see the side I generally align with doing the same toxic garbage they run around accusing everyone else of.
I'm kind of hoping that incidents like Trudeau, Gunn, and Obama finally coming out against identity politics (about damn time) are harbingers of a shifting of the winds on the left, and *fingers crossed* maybe they'll ditch the SJW lunatics and get back on the road of rationality.
But, his tweets were pretty damned disgusting. He claims they were jokes and he was trying to be edgy and provocative like a shock jock or something, but many of these tweets cross waaaaaaay over the line, in my opinion.
It's been frustrating because, in my eyes, the way many on the left and far-left have reacted gives yet more evidence of a hypocritical "do as I say, not as I do" type of wagon-circling tribalism that has taken over (the right is just as guilty of this. Just look at Trump and all the abortion, infidelity, and "wide stance in airport bathroom gay sex" scandals they've had).
There was Lena Dunham touting the "#BelieveAllWomen" wing of MeToo...until one of her friends and writer on her show was accused of rape and she changed her tune. To be fair, though, she did get called out for that and then backpedaled immediately.
Then, there was Canada's "Virtue Signaler In Chief" Justin Trudeau being hailed as the wokest bae who ever woke-baed, holding everyone in Parliament to some super high moral standard of male feminism and zero tolerance for sexual impropriety/harassment...until it was revealed that he had groped a reporter and suddenly the standard he held everyone else to did not apply to him.
And now there's Gunn, who tweeted some really nasty things about children, and the leftists who (rightly) called for Disney to fire Roseanne over her one tweet, are now defending Gunn's dozens of grotesque tweets, with Hollywood stars whining that he's being ruined by a group of "Cyber Nazis," left-leaning media claiming (without a hint of self-awareness) that he's a victim of the online outrage mob, that he's being wrongly and unfairly attacked by the alt-right, that Disney firing him means they've capitulated to blackmail, and hundreds of thousands of people petitioning Disney to demand they rehire him.
Let me be clear. I do not support, as a general rule, firing or reprimanding someone for a dumb tweet they made recently or several that the made years ago. We're all flawed humans and we all do and have done dumb shit. But, most of us learn and grow and the current person shouldn't automatically be damned for the behavior of the past self (with rare exceptions, of course). But, I do think that Disney should've vetted this guy better before hiring him, though, and I think that people should be more cautious and avoid saying stupid shit online lest it come back to haunt them later.
Hell, even Rian Johnson (worst Star Wars writer/director in history) has now deleted over 20,000 of his tweets as of today. Smart move on his part, and I don't blame him for doing so, but also not the behavior of an innocent person.
I don't really know what my main point is other than this kind of hypocrisy really chaps my ass and given that the left has been the loudest crybabies of moral purity for the past few years (and it was the right for certain parts of the 90s and 00s), it's even more irksome to me when they do it. It doesn't surprise me when it happens on the right. And I guess it doesn't surprise me when it happens on the left. I just hate it more when they do it, because I hate to see the side I generally align with doing the same toxic garbage they run around accusing everyone else of.
I'm kind of hoping that incidents like Trudeau, Gunn, and Obama finally coming out against identity politics (about damn time) are harbingers of a shifting of the winds on the left, and *fingers crossed* maybe they'll ditch the SJW lunatics and get back on the road of rationality.