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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 20:02:45 GMT -5
Would smelling/kissing hair get someone expelled from campus?
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 31, 2019 20:23:24 GMT -5
Never heard of it, but wouldn't be surprised. A consensual fist bump earned a black, autistic student a 1-year suspension. www.thecollegefix.com/this-autistic-student-asked-for-a-fist-bump-and-a-selfie-he-got-two-title-ix-investigations/A “fist bump” and a selfie may have ended Marcus Knight’s educational career right as it started. The student, who has autism, cerebral palsy and a shunt to relieve fluid pressure on his brain, was not allowed to defend himself against allegations in two Title IX investigations this past fall, his mother told The College Fix. As other noncriminal things. As I understand, this young man lost many job opportunities because of this. Remember, colleges profess to 'start by believing' and even if the 'victim' insists nothing bad happens, that doesn't protect the accused. (3rd party complaints.) So yeah, he'd be in trouble because as it stands, colleges consider anything that makes someone uncomfortable a violation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 20:49:36 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 1, 2019 7:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 1, 2019 15:40:03 GMT -5
Just so Cass knows I'm not the only one who see's the hypocrisy of Biden, here's KC Johnson summing up his thoughts. He's done amazing work tracking these cases. www.city-journal.org/joe-biden-sexual-misconduct-allegationsHe links to this case. kcjohnson.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/notre-dame-tro1.pdfSummary, a student had a long term relationship with a girl who after complaining she was scared of him, had texts inviting him to hang out, telling him how much she missed him. Proof she lied about evidence. A video of her telling another student she wanted to destroy him. She was allow a lawyer that spoke at the hearing, addressed the panel, and him. He was allowed his mom who had to stay silent. And his crime was that at times he'd talked about suicide. Expelled right b4 graduation. Judge made the school give him his final exams so that if they settled or it went to trial he wouldn't be forced to come back to repeat the entire term. They settled. So IMHO, if Joe Biden thinks men are guilty even if proven innocent, I don't have much sympathy. Also, I'll look for it tonight, but a tweet from Know Your Title IX which is a group for helping students complaining about SA at colleges said she and many others have had similar complaints against him.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 1, 2019 19:58:31 GMT -5
Here's the tweet I mentioned earlier.
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Post by nighttimer on Apr 1, 2019 20:04:23 GMT -5
I gotta say, in light of the presidency currently occupied by one of the most morally unfit, likely corrupt, totally inexperienced, and personally repugnant individuals EVER, it is to laugh that folks are giving side eyes to Joe Biden for inappropriate hugging.
Seriously. What the Eternal FUCK is up with that? If we're gonna trash potential candidates, can't we find some more substantive reasons than an old man who occasionally gets a little too touchy-feely?
Purity tests are BULLSHIT.
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Post by trouble on Apr 2, 2019 1:23:31 GMT -5
Finding instances and images of Biden doing his customary greeting has been chronicled for years. What is new is the Democratic Party is undergoing a transition of sorts. The 'why now' question is what people should be asking. If I had to wager a guess, the DP is cutting the old guard loose, which includes Biden, Hilliary, and Pelosi. This stance opens the doors for younger candidates. I'm curious how Bernie will be received. If he is tossed out with the rest of the crew the transition will be much harsher than first anticipated.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 2, 2019 7:25:29 GMT -5
I gotta say, in light of the presidency currently occupied by one of the most morally unfit, likely corrupt, totally inexperienced, and personally repugnant individuals EVER, it is to laugh that folks are giving side eyes to Joe Biden for inappropriate hugging. Seriously. What the Eternal FUCK is up with that? If we're gonna trash potential candidates, can't we find some more substantive reasons than an old man who occasionally gets a little too touchy-feely? Purity tests are BULLSHIT. If we're going to judge people running for president by the spectrum of are they less disgusting than Trump, than very few people would be disqualified, including a rabid dog humping a fire hydrant.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 2, 2019 8:53:31 GMT -5
Biden's press secretary defends him as a "champion of women": www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/01/joe-biden-values-champions-women-public-private-column/3330357002/While I fucking hate that term and while the above piece is from someone very pro-Biden, I think it makes some fair points, both with regard to Biden's record and his general behavior. There's a "second accuser" (I put in quotes because these aren't really accusations of criminal--or of even horrible--behavior): www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-02/biden-s-2020-challenges-pile-up-amid-accusations-by-2-womenI do think that this is all reflective of Biden's old school mindset, as I noted up thread, but that shouldn't be allowed to diminish Biden's less-than-typical pov on women. I think--if one were to go back in time--one would find that Biden was one of the those people in DC actively pushing back against simple misogyny. But it's a weird thing, insofar as such efforts can come across as simple paternalism, right? I mean, the "champion of women" who constantly steps in to defend women can come across as overly protective, sometimes. That's what's going on with Biden, imo. And in doesn't translate well to younger, more progressive women who don't feel they need a male "champion" as a matter of course. And to Biden's credit, he's trying to make sense of this, trying to understand where and why he crossed lines (that's the sense I get from his comments, anyway). That's pretty good, in my view. This doesn't mean he should therefore be President, but he shouldn't be pushed aside for this, either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 9:40:15 GMT -5
Biden's press secretary defends him as a "champion of women": www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/01/joe-biden-values-champions-women-public-private-column/3330357002/While I fucking hate that term and while the above piece is from someone very pro-Biden, I think it makes some fair points, both with regard to Biden's record and his general behavior. There's a "second accuser" (I put in quotes because these aren't really accusations of criminal--or of even horrible--behavior): www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-02/biden-s-2020-challenges-pile-up-amid-accusations-by-2-womenI do think that this is all reflective of Biden's old school mindset, as I noted up thread, but that shouldn't be allowed to diminish Biden's less-than-typical pov on women. I think--if one were to go back in time--one would find that Biden was one of the those people in DC actively pushing back against simple misogyny. But it's a weird thing, insofar as such efforts can come across as simple paternalism, right? I mean, the "champion of women" who constantly steps in to defend women can come across as overly protective, sometimes. That's what's going on with Biden, imo. And in doesn't translate well to younger, more progressive women who don't feel they need a male "champion" as a matter of course. And to Biden's credit, he's trying to make sense of this, trying to understand where and why he crossed lines (that's the sense I get from his comments, anyway). That's pretty good, in my view. This doesn't mean he should therefore be President, but he shouldn't be pushed aside for this, either. You know, as much as I love getting all up in your face, I think I'm on your page here, Rob.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 2, 2019 15:15:36 GMT -5
Would smelling/kissing hair get someone expelled from campus? Last word on this, as it's a distraction. I asked a lawyer that works on these issues, and she advised that she's been hired quite often to avoid suspensions for bumping into people in the halls that are written up as sexual assaults. Often, no lawsuit happens. Many of these crazy ones go away if you have a lawyer. They never get an article to reference if you don't sue and it's somewhere like $450-$750 per hour for the type of lawyers that handle this. So if you're poor, you're screwed. The issue with Biden is that by the rules he would have college kids judged, he's guilty. What he's alleged to have done isn't criminal, and nowhere near what Trump has been accused of doing. (Again, if we judge the fitness of every candidate by Trump's standards, then anyone not convicted of mass murder can be president.) It's the hypocrisy that galls me more than anything else.
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Post by nighttimer on Apr 2, 2019 21:19:42 GMT -5
Would smelling/kissing hair get someone expelled from campus? Last word on this, as it's a distraction. I asked a lawyer that works on these issues, and she advised that she's been hired quite often to avoid suspensions for bumping into people in the halls that are written up as sexual assaults. Often, no lawsuit happens. Many of these crazy ones go away if you have a lawyer. They never get an article to reference if you don't sue and it's somewhere like $450-$750 per hour for the type of lawyers that handle this. So if you're poor, you're screwed. If it's a distraction, why do you feel the need to crowbar in a "last word?"
What rules might those be? Don't assume everyone knows as much about what those "rules" Biden wants college kids judged by as you seemingly do. City Journal sounds pretty mainstream and objective, but a quick scoping out of its contents indicates it is anything but.
The Diversity Delusion: How Race and Gender Pandering Corrupt the University and Undermine Our Culture
What Criminologists Don’t Say, and Why: Monopolized by the Left, academic research on crime gets almost everything wrong.
The Marijuana Delusion: States rush to legalize recreational pot, even as evidence of its harms grows.
No Need for Thanks: America rescued Ilhan Omar and her family, but to hear her tell it, we are the ones who should be grateful.
Vandalizing History: Progressives want to reframe even joyous moments from the past into a narrative of oppression.
The Frenzied Search for Racism: Elites bought Jussie Smollett’s story because it confirmed their cherished narrative about a hateful America.
Since Trump got elected despite what Trump has been accused of and admitted to doing, it's a perfectly fair standard.
You've been living under the rule of the biggest hypocrite ever to stink up the White House. As far as being galled goes, I suspect you'll find a way to get over it.
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Post by Optimus on Apr 2, 2019 21:41:25 GMT -5
"Elizabeth Warren Says She Believes Lucy Flores' Account Of Joe Biden's Unwanted Kiss" www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/elizabeth-warren-says-she-believes-lucy-flores-account-of-joe-biden-inappropriately-kissing-her_n_5c9fba7ce4b00ba6327e00caOf course she does. These days, Warren never misses a chance to jump on a far-leftist bandwagon if that's the direction she thinks the winds are changing to, even if that change is erratic and brief. "The entire criminal justice system is racist! Watch me drink a beer on Twitter (even though Beto already did that)! Reparations now! Biden is a sexual harasser!" It gets better...and by "better," I mean, "more predictable:" There's blood in the water and they're circling like sharks, eager to gobble up and spit out the competition. These aren't sincere expressions of ideals. This is cynical opportunism. They're simultaneously virtue signaling their piety to their base while also actively working to thin the herd of opposing candidates. The Dems are doing everything they can to ensure a Trump victory in 2020. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. My hopes and prayers lie in Buttigieg surviving all of this Machiavellian bullshit and somehow coming out on top as the nominee next year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 23:04:18 GMT -5
I'd be good with Mayor Pete as the last one standing. But my fear is that all the wrangling and mudslinging ends in Bernie Sanders getting the nomination. Of all the candidates with a reasonable shot of getting the Dem nomination, he's my last choice.
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