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Post by robeiae on Feb 10, 2017 10:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 10:39:12 GMT -5
I only read the first book in the series, and I barely got through it, ranting and drinking the whole time, stopping repeatedly to email and post about how much I despised it. I forged on with it solely so I could participate in a parody thread. (The parody thread can still be found on another website. It's silly.) So I can't speak to the content of the books after the first.
But FWIW, that line certainly sounds consistent with the execrable dialogue in the first book. It was just unbelievably bad, IMO.
This movie actually sounds like it might cross over into "so atrocious it's fun" territory. When it comes to Netfix, I may need to have a MST3K-style party to watch it. You are all invited.
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Post by celawson on Feb 10, 2017 11:38:52 GMT -5
The stories about how rich this woman got from her dribble are incredible. Which is fine for someone with the talent of, say, JK Rowling. But for crap? Here's the funniest line from a Daily Mail article that describes her new lifestyle:  ://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3674405/ALISON-BOSHOFF-Mrs-Fifty-Shades-living-high-life-hubby-s-home-dogs.html#ixzz4YIjNYDQS |
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Post by Amadan on Feb 10, 2017 12:25:56 GMT -5
rekt
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 12:32:07 GMT -5
I found the sex scenes in the first book profoundly unsexy. Some were simply boring, despite the genital clamps, whips, and vaginal balls. And some were unintentionally hilarious, mostly because of the dialogue or the internal monologue of the heroine ("Holy cow!")
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 10, 2017 12:48:18 GMT -5
The story started off as fan fiction based on Twilight. It was very popular with people who liked the idea of seeing Edward spanking Bella, and then she got the idea to take out the sparkly vampires, make 'em all human and publish it. Everyone who loved the original bought it, so it looked really good and got a lot of hype. In fact, it was drivel.
But it started off as badly written fan fiction.
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Post by Amadan on Feb 10, 2017 13:03:59 GMT -5
I do like laughing at E.L. James haters, though. I mean, yeah, she got filthy rich off of crappy fan fiction. Laugh all the way to the bank, lady.
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Post by Vince524 on Feb 10, 2017 13:12:09 GMT -5
For what it's worth, so did Cassandra Claire. She wrote Harry potter fiction, book length stories where Draco became a good guy. It was actually very well written and although it used characters created in Harry Potter, she took them in darker directions.
Eventually she created the Mortal Instruments books, and there's some Draco in Jace, and Ginny in Clary. But very little of the original Draco and Ginny, both of who didn't have much depth to them in the original books. More of the spin that Claire brought to them.
I don't have an issue with either author for their success, but EL James annoys me because she's such a horrible author IMHO, while I enjoy Claire's work.
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Post by Don on Feb 10, 2017 22:44:30 GMT -5
Apparently there's a far larger market for mainstream BDSM than people imagined, if these books, bad as they apparently are, are selling likw hotcakes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 23:12:05 GMT -5
The BDSM is actually pretty vanilla. Some spanking. He ties her hands with his tie. A spreadbar thing for her legs. I think he blindfolds her once. Yawn.
Seriously, I was bored. It's not so much that it wasn't daring enough, though. It's that there's no heat there -- just some ludicrous dialogue between some tedious, if explicit, descriptions of not particularly interesting sex acts. The heroine says "holy cow!" But the reader does not feel her arousal.
I've read scenes that involved a kiss on the hand that I found hotter than any scene in FSoG. (Seriously -- there's one in Gone With The Wind where Rhett kisses the palm of Scarlett's hand that's 100 times sexier than the sex in FSoG. Margaret Mitchell made you feel Scarlett's pulse jump.)
I think reading it made some women feel all adventurous and sexy. I can only conclude that they don't mind bad writing and that their sex lives are very vanilla indeed if this is so wild to them. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 23:49:17 GMT -5
I also must note -- the dude they picked to play the allegedly dark and complicated Christian Grey... Maybe it's me, but I cannot take him seriously in the role. He's a pretty boy -- makes me think of the very new young investment banker bros just out of school. No appeal for me at all.
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Post by Don on Feb 11, 2017 4:59:20 GMT -5
Apparently there's a far larger market for mainstream BDSM than people imagined, if these books, bad as they apparently are, are selling like hotcakes. The BDSM is actually pretty vanilla. Some spanking. He ties her hands with his tie. A spreadbar thing for her legs. I think he blindfolds her once. Yawn. Seriously, I was bored. It's not so much that it wasn't daring enough, though. It's that there's no heat there -- just some ludicrous dialogue between some tedious, if explicit, descriptions of not particularly interesting sex acts. The heroine says "holy cow!" But the reader does not feel her arousal. I've read scenes that involved a kiss on the hand that I found hotter than any scene in FSoG. (Seriously -- there's one in Gone With The Wind where Rhett kisses the palm of Scarlett's hand that's 100 times sexier than the sex in FSoG. Margaret Mitchell made you feel Scarlett's pulse jump.) I think reading it made some women feel all adventurous and sexy. I can only conclude that they don't mind bad writing and that their sex lives are very vanilla indeed if this is so wild to them. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Having been a man for just shy of 65 years, it's my experience that most women's sex lives are very vanilla indeed. So how long would it take to churn out some unboring "vanilla with sprinkles and hot caramel topping" scenes with non-ludicrous dialog between thrilling and explicit descriptions of fascinating sex acts? (hold the "holy cow!") There's gold in them thar hills, apparently. I think the idea would be to domesticate Anne Rampling just a bit for the sparkly set, and A. N. Roquelaure for the period fans.  ...and that exhausts my knowledge of women's erotica, so trump my authors if you must. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 8:25:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I am not sure the real appeal of those books is in the sex acts. I think it's in the "poor girl enchants gorgeous but troubled billionaire and teaches him to love." Take that element out,with the same sex acts between two poor average people, and I think you've got zippo. The vanilla bondage is a bonus that makes some women feel daring and adventurous. I may be wrong, but that's my guess.
I'm not an erotica reader (nor a porn consumer in any form). I've read some, but mostly, I find it dull and often giggle-worthy, from the little I've sampled -- I've no urge to sample more.. I like something more subtle. Give me something well-written that leaves something to my imagination. Well-written porn would no doubt be less giggle-worthy, but I can't imagine it would ever be my literature of choice. It sure would beat the hell out of FSoG, though.
However, I don't care for romance novels, either, as a genre, so there's that. I have somewhere between 1000-2000 books stacked in my tiny apartment, plus more on my Kindle, and I think the only book I have that might qualify as romance (maybe) is Gone With the Wind. And I didn't pick that one up for that reason.
My weakness is mystery novels. Of course I prefer a well-written one, but I've been known to skim over a touch of bad writing if the story is good. I guess it's kind of my porn. To some extent, sci fi too, if there's something about the world/technology that interests me enough to get past patches of bad writing.
But I am a geek.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 24, 2018 9:37:50 GMT -5
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