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Post by Optimus on Mar 7, 2017 0:33:29 GMT -5
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 7, 2017 0:52:32 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Mar 7, 2017 1:26:35 GMT -5
Jesus. How profoundly stupid can one person be? A brain surgeon with no brain. Oh, the irony.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 7, 2017 8:12:22 GMT -5
Maybe he found some of that information on the line...
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 7, 2017 11:25:09 GMT -5
Bennie Carson sho' am smart. He be perfect fo' Massa Trump's plantation. Dat boy sho do no about shuckin' and jivin' and scratch where he don't itch. Dat boy gonna go far. He be a credit to de race!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 12:56:37 GMT -5
Excuse me while I go slam my head in a door a few times.
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Post by michaelw on Mar 8, 2017 9:14:46 GMT -5
There was a similar comment from Obama, back in 2015:
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Post by robeiae on Mar 8, 2017 9:28:49 GMT -5
I think those type of comments--about slaves being immigrants--are only problematic when they are offered in ways that suggest the slaves somehow preferred what happened to them over what they had before. That's a load of crap. Carson didn't seem to be doing that, Obama didn't seem to be doing that.
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Post by michaelw on Mar 8, 2017 9:31:38 GMT -5
^ Yep.
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 8, 2017 19:58:46 GMT -5
Sure. And fair's fair - at least on the face, and removed from their contexts, the Carson and Obama comments aren't much different. It seems to me that both are uncomfortably "look on the bright side" about the plight of captive slaves. And the quotes look so similar to me that, if one suggested that Carson took his cue from Obama's quote, I wouldn't argue.
If I were to put a fine point on the differences between the quotes, I'd say that Obama explicitly acknowledged the involuntary migration slaves were forced to make - and he posited that they could be seen as immigrants in a certain way. And he describes a hope for a better life for their descendents as a matter of faith, that something great might come from a horrific turn of events.
Carson's quote treats them as a standard class of immigrant, and he describes an explicit, garden-variety American dream - as though having been captured, shipped as cargo, and sold into slavery was really just a career setback.
Well, I guess I am putting a fine point on it. I'm biased, and the differences I see are in rhetoric of quotes removed from their origins. But in the end, the similarity between the quotes is illuminating - and I find it surprising. It tells me more than anything else about my own bias in reading news. So thanks, michaelw and rob.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 8, 2017 20:07:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:05:27 GMT -5
I'm not going to read the article, either. It will almost certainly spoil the pictures. And the pictures are SO CUTE!
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Post by celawson on Mar 9, 2017 1:04:54 GMT -5
definition of immigrant - someone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country
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Post by nighttimer on Mar 9, 2017 2:27:53 GMT -5
Slaves were immigrants? I call bullshit. Immigrants came to America of their own free will. Slaves were stolen and brought to America to do the work White people were too damn lazy to do themselves. I can understand a lot, but I can't understand anyone with a higher I.Q. than a potted plant not knowing Africans didn't come to this fucking country as fucking immigrants. Anyone who thinks otherwise is literally too stupid to be insulted.
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Post by poetinahat on Mar 9, 2017 21:11:23 GMT -5
definition of immigrant - someone who comes to live permanently in a foreign country And invasions are business trips.
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