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Post by Vince524 on May 28, 2017 16:14:12 GMT -5
Wonder Woman is one of the most anticipated movies coming, and with good reason. The trailers look great and this is a movie many of us, myself included, have been waiting for a big screen treatment for years. But there's been a bit of controversy. www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/entertainment/wonder-woman-women-only/I don't think this is the end of the world, but I also don't see the point, and think that some of the reaction to the reaction is more telling and troubling than anything else. If Wonder Woman is such a feminine icon, which I agree she is, isn't it better that men see her as such? Isn't guys, especially young boys who may simply love superheros, liking a woman as the kick ass main character a good thing? Couldn't one argue that men are a key audience that should see this movie? The theater defended it's actions by saying they'd had screenings for select groups before, like military veterans. But that didn't tell people they weren't welcome by their gender, including in the workplace. If this were reversed, wouldn't there be an uproar? I wish I could find it now, but someone went on a twitter rant about how women deserved to be able to watch the movie without fear of sexual assault. So like, wow, you can't even want to go see Wonder Woman without being thought of as a rapist in waiting. Also I found this: Jezebel had to edit their article about the Wonder Woman women only screening cos transphobia. /photo/1 For those of you who can't see it, it was a remark about a penis free environment. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 23:16:10 GMT -5
I very much doubt there is a single male creature on the planet who really genuinely has the sads or will suffer in any way from the fact this screening occurred.
I am completely indifferent to someone holding a women-only screening. If they start saying no boys can watch the movie ever, I'll be perturbed. Otherwise, meh.
Nor do I feel any need to go to such a screening.
Meh all round.
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Post by poetinahat on May 29, 2017 1:17:15 GMT -5
If there were a men-only screening of something similar, it would seem either business as usual, or anachronistic. One film, one night, one cinema -- you'd have to be pretty snowflakey to make any kind of complaint about this at all.
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Post by robeiae on May 29, 2017 7:27:03 GMT -5
Yeah, this screening was just a gimmick event for the place in question.
I do see the point of the screening: they were catering to a "girls night out" mentality and they were doing so for the purposes of fun and profit. Big deal.
I don't see the point in trying to make this into something it clearly was not intended to be.
If it were reversed, would there be an uproar? Maybe, but that doesn't mean those complaining would be right. They probably wouldn't be, in fact. I don't see a problem with "guys night out" event, either. These things are a problem when they're policy, or at least routine. One off events? Let it go.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 10:14:44 GMT -5
It might actually be interesting to do a one-off all-male screening of the movie as well, just to see what happens. They could encourage men to bring their sons, boy scout troops, or what have you.
The best-case scenario is that they enjoy the movie, and perhaps a bunch of boys seeing a female superhero are encouraged to think of men and women as equals.
The worst-case bottom-of-the-barrel possibility is that you end up with a bunch of drunks who spend the screening hooting at Wonder Woman's tits.
Another possibility, one I think likely, unfortunately, is that the screening isn't particularly well-attended.
Having slept on it, I suppose I do see one downside to an all-female screening, but it ain't for the poor excluded men. There is an unfortunate lingering tendency to think of books/movies with male protagonists as being for everyone -- while those with female protagonists are just for women. I'd really like that not to be the case, and IMO an all-female screening of a movie with a female superhero rather perpetuates it.
I'm still shrugging, mind you.
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Post by Vince524 on May 29, 2017 10:34:00 GMT -5
When I heard about it, I pretty much shrugged. It was reaction and then the reaction to the reaction that got me thinking.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 10:34:14 GMT -5
I will note that although I am a feminist -- god help you if you attempt to belittle my intellect, pay me less, or talk down to me -- I tend to dislike and avoid gurlpower all-female events intended to empower the womenfolk. I understand and sympathize with the intent, but I think they often tend to underscore that women are a separate class.
The first law firm I joined after law school was big on such events, and frankly, most were freaking excruciating. I only went when a higher-up twisted my arm and refused to let me off the hook.
At one women's dinner, attended by a good hundred or so women lawyers at the firm, they announced at the dinner we were supposed to all stand up and tell the room something about ourselves that no one in the room knew. For most of us, at least a few other women in the room were friends as well as colleagues, so it would likely have to be something pretty personal if they didn't know it already.
Some women were fine with this, and told stories I'd only tell to a very close friend. One stood up and talked about her mother's rape and how it affected her. Others groped wildly for some fun small fact from childhood -- e.g.,"I played on the boy's volleyball team in sixth grade." (If we'd been told this was going to be required, we could have thought up such an anecdote ahead of time, but here we were put on the spot.)
When it came my turn, I stood up and said "gee, I guess all my interesting stories are still in the future" -- and sat down. (After that, a few women said "gee, I can't think of anything." I was proud to lead that charge.)
Sorry, I'm not going to share some kind of personal anecdote at a fucking BUSINESS event in front of higher-ups and subordinates as well as peers at my own level, most of them relative strangers, some of whom I disliked. No. And I'll be damned if I can see how it would empower me or any woman.
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Post by Amadan on May 30, 2017 12:40:52 GMT -5
I don't care about "all women screening" events, but I do think stunts like this are just heightening divides. Also, doing a lot to make men less likely to want to see the movie by reinforcing the idea that it's a chick flick.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:12:55 GMT -5
I don't care about "all women screening" events, but I do think stunts like this are just heightening divides. Also, doing a lot to make men less likely to want to see the movie by reinforcing the idea that it's a chick flick. Agree. I'd like to see thus marketed the way they market any other superhero/adventure movie. What was the movie where Angelina Jolie played a bad-ass Indiana Jones type character? I went to see that with a mixed group of friends; they guys all bought her as a badass (and found it a turn-on). Not a chick-flick, at all. (She did all her own stunts, too, if I recall, which is impressive.) I hope this movie is similar, but the marketing is currently doing it no favors in that direction. eta: Lara Croft! That's it. Anyway. I totally bought her as a badass who could beat up my boyfriend -- and so did he!
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Post by robeiae on Jun 1, 2017 10:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 1, 2017 11:08:02 GMT -5
She's not Israeli, she's an Amazon.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 2, 2017 8:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 11:38:38 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that anyone is getting that upset about a freaking one-off movie screening. The mayor's response was perfect.
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 2, 2017 11:49:31 GMT -5
Yeah it's really the responses to this that have me troubled, as I've said. I've heard the movie is the best DC one yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 8:19:40 GMT -5
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