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Post by Optimus on Jul 13, 2017 21:08:20 GMT -5
I always struggle with what to say to someone when they have a close loved one die. Hell, I'm not even good when it comes to someone in my own family dying. The boyfriend of a good friend of mine died today after a tragic accident on the set of The Walking Dead yesterday. She and I haven't talked as much or hung out as much in the past year or two, but we used to be pretty close. deadline.com/2017/07/walking-dead-production-halted-stuntman-injured-season-8-1202128462/The news hasn't reported his death yet (probably because they don't know yet) but he did indeed die earlier today, after his family took him off life support (from what I understand, the brain damage was just too severe). I haven't talked to my friend (his girlfriend) yet because I really have no idea what to say, and I'm sure she's not in the mood to talk to anyone anyway. So, what do you say in this type of situation? I'm really not good at this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 21:38:22 GMT -5
Keep it simple. There is no "right" thing to say that makes anything better -- the important thing is simply to be there for them. e.g , "I'm so sorry." "I don't know what to say, but I want you to know care about you and I'm here for you." Don't try to get creative. Seriously, simple is better. If you knew the person who died: say something nice about them and how much you valued them. Say how much your friend meant to the diseased person (one of my father's friends said "you know you were the light of his life, don't you?" That meant a lot. DON'T: Bring up god or the lack thereof unless you know the person's religious beliefs! Don't give unasked for advice! (Unbelievable how many people wanted to tell me what to do about my dad's remains.) For God's sake don't make anything approaching a remark on how anything was all for the best!! ("At least he didn't suffer." Gaah! YES HE DID! Don't say it!) If feasible (like, you live in the area), DO go to the funeral and wake. Ask if there's something practical you can help with (my mom and I barely had time to eat, much less cook, in the blur of getting the funeral and such together -- some friends dropped off food and I really appreciated it). DO call in the weeks after the funeral to check in now and then. Sometimes you feel worse after all the bustle of the funeral is over. You don't have to say anything in particular. Just "hey, was thinking of you, and thought I'd give you a call." I promise, it will be appreciated. No sage words about death are needed. It's just good to remind them you're there and they aren't alone. Anyway. Generally speaking, once you get out the basic "I'm sorry," let them lead the way. They may want to share funny memories. They may want to cry. They may be too distraught to talk. Do the best you can to figure that out and go with it, but seriously, if you just say " I'm so sorry, I love you, I'm here for you", it is ample. Simply letting them know you care is what matters. But do get over the awkward and call her. I have to say, I was really hurt by the friend who just avoided the hell out of me for months after my dad's death. People do it with those who have cancer and such, too, sometimes -- they don't know what to say, so they dodge the grieving/sick person. And the fact is, no one knows what to say! All that matters is the simple fact that you are there.
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Post by Optimus on Jul 13, 2017 21:43:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Cass. I also worry about saying something that might sound inauthentic. She and I are both atheists, so I definitely won't be bringing up God or prayers.
I'm gonna give it at least a day or so. Given that it's not only an unimaginable tragedy that she and his family are going through, it's a somewhat high-profile one (since it's in the news), and pretty much every article earlier today was quoting her FB page, so she's likely getting pestered by the press in addition to all of their friends who are also likely contacting her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 22:01:00 GMT -5
yes, that may be true. As long as you do call, it's ok to wait a day or a few. You're right that she'll be busy.
My ex fiance died (after we broke it off, but still) at the age of 33 in a terrible accident that made national news. I was mourning myself (despite the breakup, he'd been a huge part of my life), was good friends with his brother, and adored his mom.
At the funeral, I was pretty much just "god, I'm so sorry." (And actually, I didn't call before that -- I just went. I knew they were engulfed.) But a week or two after the funeral, I had a long phone conversation with his brother where we shared old times. I wrote a long letter to his mom in which I told her how much her son and her family had meant to me, and sharing some memories. She really appreciated it.
You may not be in a position where you can do quite that, but my point is, in the immediate wake of the tragedy I kept it very simple -- I followed it later with more.
I should note -- when my dad died, a few people just sent cards or even just emails. You know what? That was ok, too. What was important, really, was that the sent some expression of sympathy. The wording, the form -- that really didn't matter (except for the relatives who wanted to instruct me on the proper Catholic things to do with corpses. I. Did. Not Ask.)
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Post by mikey on Jul 13, 2017 22:18:59 GMT -5
Something similar happened to me on Mothers day this year. www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2017/05/man_walked_into_thriftway_with.htmlI went to school with this couple. I was class mates with Tina's younger sister. We come from a very rule area, so school kids were pretty close then. It had been 25 years or so since I seen my friends when this tragedy happened. I felt so bad for David and Tina's sister, I felt I had to do something, but what to say after so long? So I went to Tina's funeral and found all my old school chums had the same idea, about 30 of us who hadn't seen one another in 25 to 30 years. David and Sue seemed to be so grateful to see all these old friends show up to say good by to Tina that a whole lot of words were not needed. The hugs and tears said it all.
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Post by michaelw on Jul 14, 2017 0:49:41 GMT -5
I always struggle with what to say to someone when they have a close loved one die. Me too, so I definitely sympathize. I thought what Cass said above seemed pretty sound. The point about brevity is especially key, IMO. Not only does it make it easier for you to deliver the message, it also makes it easier for the other person to digest it. What Cass said about follow-up was solid advice, as well. In my experience, a brief message of condolence not long after the event will at least open the door and make it easier to follow with something more substantive later on, when it seems the time is right for that. Best of luck.
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Post by Vince524 on Jul 14, 2017 6:18:18 GMT -5
People say I'm sorry for your loss, or some such thing, because it's the simplest or truest thing to say. It also sounds so inadequate to yourself, but sometimes it really is the best.
Listening is probably better than anything else. When my friend lost her daughter in a tragic accident, listening to her was sometimes painful, but it helped her. My one of my best friends died when I was in high school, crying with their parents helped because it let them know how deeply their son was missed.
When my mom died, I heard the same thing over and over. I'm sorry. But each time I heard it, it helped because I knew there was someone out there that understood at least a little bit, that I'd lost someone.
There really are no magic words. You want to say that thing that gives them comfort, but there really is no way to do that. You just need to be there, share their pain, lend an ear and a shoulder to cry on. Healing from this is slow and very painful. Nobody can take away that pain, and nobody should.
I am sorry that you're going through this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 8:11:38 GMT -5
One final bit of advice -- don't try to force them to discuss their sorrow if they are not inclined on the theory it's better for them. Keep it simple, let them lead the way.
After my dad died, I had one old grade school friend I hadn't seen in years keep calling and saying "you need to cry on the shoulder of an old friend. Don't hold it in. CRY!" Nix on this approach! It's not helpful. She'll choose her times and places for crying. Grief is a weird thing. It isn't constant. You'll be going along fine and then, boom, it hits you. And it can show itself in different ways. So, let her cry if she's inclined. But if she wants to tell a funny story about how he was always losing his iPhone, go with it.
I guess I'm just saying "keep it simple"" ten different ways, but I promise you can't go wrong with that.
I should note -- three of my friends flew across the state to come to my dad's funeral. I barely had time to exchange ten words with them, and I sure as hell don't remember what they were. But I really appreciated that they cared enough to be there.
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Post by Vince524 on Jul 14, 2017 12:04:08 GMT -5
Yeah, just to add on what Cass said, let your friend lead the way in terms of what she needs. She may need that shoulder to cry on. She may need a distraction from the pain and the grief. She may just need someone to be there. Or she may need time alone.
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