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Post by Vince524 on Jul 20, 2017 12:31:36 GMT -5
So Nick Lutz broke up with his girlfriend. I believe because she cheated, but regardless, they broken up. He blocked her from texting, facebook, twitter, etc. So she wrote him an apology letter.
Nick then graded it
The thought of you has made me loose my sanity,” she wrote.
“Lose,” he corrected.
“I just hope to God you have thought about me like I have you,” she wrote.
A red arrow under the sentence points to his note in the margins: “I have not.”
“Long intro, short conclusion, strong hypothesis but nothing to back it up,” he wrote. “While the gesture is appreciated, I would prefer details over statements. Revision for half credit will be accepted.”
He also tweeted it, thinking it would be seen by his friends. However, it went viral.
Feeling bullied, she went to the police who couldn't do anything. She then complained to his school, who handed down a 2 term suspension.
As it was already viral, and people were already asking Nick for interviews, this also made news. Between that and his lawyer, they appealed and the suspension was reversed.
In the documents attached to a statement from Lutz and Stuart, Michael Gilmer, the director of UCF’s student conduct office, wrote that the “charges brought forward in this case were not supported by the original documentation received.”
“Upon review, it appears that the conduct charge on disruptive behavior was improvidently levied,” Gilmer wrote.
Gilmer added that though Lutz’s ex-girlfriend, whom Gilmer identifies as a “high school student with plans to attend UCF in the future,” experienced “substantial emotional distress,” Gilmer could not conclude that her distress was due to Lutz’s tweet or to the attention that the tweet received.
So if I understand correctly, Nick and his EX split, she kept trying to contact him so he blocked her. She wrote him, and he did this. And his college, where she is not a student, suspended him and it took backlash from the media and a lawyer to get it reversed. Most likely, he won't get any money from the college to cover the legal fees.
The world has gone mad.
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Post by robeiae on Jul 20, 2017 13:24:00 GMT -5
What he did was sleezy, imo. Not smart and not nice.
I don't give a rat's ass about the details of their relationship. She could have done lots of things "wrong," but so could have he. And the idea that he thought only his friends would see it on twitter is a load of happy horseshit. The guy has been on twitter since 2010. He's got over 13,000 tweets. He pinned the graded paper to the top of his page. He was hoping for exactly what he got here: a viral tweet. He strikes me as a class-A douchebag.
That said, UCF was wrong to suspend him, imo. He has the right to be a class-A douchebag.
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Post by Optimus on Jul 20, 2017 15:44:50 GMT -5
What he did was sleezy, imo. Not smart and not nice. I don't give a rat's ass about the details of their relationship. She could have done lots of things "wrong," but so could have he. And the idea that he thought only his friends would see it on twitter is a load of happy horseshit. The guy has been on twitter since 2010. He's got over 13,000 tweets. He pinned the graded paper to the top of his page. He was hoping for exactly what he got here: a viral tweet. He strikes me as a class-A douchebag. That said, UCF was wrong to suspend him, imo. He has the right to be a class-A douchebag. Jesus, Rob. You act like the guy posted revenge porn of the girl. What he did was a snarky and crass bit of "throwing shade," and, in hindsight, a poor decision, but it's certainly not "sleazy" or proves that he's a "class-A douchebag." Hustler Magazine is sleazy. Martin Shkreli is a class-A douchebag. Let's have a little perspective here. This guy's tweet doesn't give the impression that he was out for blood. He wasn't being overtly malicious. He was poking fun at an idiot ex who cheated on him, stalked him to the point that he had to block her on all social media, then continued to stalk him IRL by delivering a note that basically begged him to take her back after she'd cheated on him and stalked the shit out of him. If a guy had done all of that to a girl, feminists everywhere would likely be celebrating the fact that she gave him his Twitter comeuppance, while blathering on about rape/stalking culture and decrying that the school was persecuting the victim. So, yeah, what he did was crass and dumb, but her stalking him is creepy AF. Perhaps I'm being a bit biased given that I've been stalked by girls in worse ways than this guy and I've had a crazy ex-gf or two legitimately try to ruin my life, so I empathize much more with him than her. If he'd crossed any obvious lines of decency or safety or acted aggressively toward her, then I might see your point. But he didn't, so I don't. I do agree that UCF was way out of line for suspending a student over a snarky tweet involving a non-student. But, UCF is kind of a shitty school in a lot of ways, imo, so I'm also not surprised. The bigger, actually-important issue here is the abhorrent way the school acted, yet you're basically trying to crucify this guy for throwing shade at his ex. I honestly don't get it. |
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Post by robeiae on Jul 20, 2017 16:28:25 GMT -5
Sorry, but I just am not willing to buy a story I'm being fed, here. Maybe she was a crazy stalker ex-type. But maybe she wasn't. I don't know and I'm not going to just accept his version as reality.
And sorry, but I've also been stalked by an ex (seriously). I would still never, ever have tried to publicly ridicule her like this. I'm not okay with it, at all. No, it's not revenge porn, but then revenge porn might have justified legal action, no? I'm not arguing that what he did was illegal. But I do find it sleezy. And I do think it says something about him, something not good. Because again, the idea that he didn't know this would be seen by others, apart from his friends, is simply ridiculous.
So UCF did the wrong thing, then the right thing. I'm just not particularly concerned about his feelings here. Why should I be?
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Post by Vince524 on Jul 20, 2017 17:26:46 GMT -5
Sorry, but I just am not willing to buy a story I'm being fed, here. Maybe she was a crazy stalker ex-type. But maybe she wasn't. I don't know and I'm not going to just accept his version as reality. And sorry, but I've also been stalked by an ex (seriously). I would still never, ever have tried to publicly ridicule her like this. I'm not okay with it, at all. No, it's not The revenge porn, but then revenge porn might have justified legal action, no? I'm not arguing that what he did was illegal. But I do find it sleezy. And I do think it says something about him, something not good. Because again, the idea that he didn't know this would be seen by others, apart from his friends, is simply ridiculous. So UCF did the wrong thing, then the right thing. I'm just not particularly concerned about his feelings here. Why should I be? Let's separate the issues. 1) None of us can know how stalkerish she was, but he did use her (Badly written) words against her. It doesn't seem unreasonable to believe she's at fault. And since it was delivered snail mail, then it's also not a far cry to believe she had exhausted her other options of communication. Could we be wrong? Sure. But if all that is true, doesn't that lower the bar of his douchery? (Is that a word?) And from I understand, and I could be wrong, he let her first name appear, but that was it. I think this was his way of getting her to leave him alone. 2) You seem to be coming down pretty hard on him. Not much on her. (Okay, we don't have her version of events) or the school. The school was willing to suspend this guy for 2 semesters for this. A non student, for something they had no real way of investigating. That would be a permanent mark on his transcripts for the rest of his life. Would he have returned with the same scholarships that he had? How would he have explained the 1 year gap in education if he plans on going on to graduate school. Plus, he's stuck with paying lawyer fees. And the school did the right thing? Why? Because they couldn't defend their stupid decision. Not because someone over there grew a brain or a conscious. As far as I know, these appeals tend to go back to the same people who made the choice to begin with. I could be wrong here, but that's my understanding. Did they really think better? If this were to happen again tomorrow, but without the publicity and with a kid who can't afford a lawyer, would he simply be shit out of luck? |
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Post by robeiae on Jul 20, 2017 17:57:51 GMT -5
I'm coming down hard on him because this thread is about the private letter she wrote to him, which he then posted on twitter, along with his mockery of the same.
You think that's okay? You think that's what a nice person does? A good person? Granted, he's young. Maybe he can learn from this.
And hey, she might be the devil incarnate. I don't really know. And the school certainly .effed up royally. And they corrected their error, regardless of the "why." And sure, the people at the school who effed up might not really get it, might make the same mistake tomorrow. I have no problem allowing these things. But that doesn't mean I have to approve of what he did, or at least allow that what he did was no big deal. Because I don't approve. And I don't think it's a big deal, as compared to a lot of other bad things people do, but it was mean-spirited.
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