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Post by Vince524 on Oct 21, 2017 13:05:48 GMT -5
A University of Penn State Student teacher has come under fire for a tweet. www.thecollegefix.com/post/38120/ I always call on my black women students first. Other POC get second tier priority. WW come next. And, if I have to, white men. ![]() www.philly.com/philly/columnists/helen_ubinas/university-of-pennsylvania-teaching-assistant-mckellop-progressive-stacking-20171020.htmlNow, the push back seems to be that the teacher is saying she wants to make sure marginalized students are heard, but that's not how the tweet read. It read that she always calls on women of color first, then POC, then WW then if she has to, white men. So if she has a class where every student is willing to participate, she'll never have to call on white men? There's a difference between making sure you're including everyone and having a pecking order based on race, and gender that you follow every time. Seems this is the latter, at least to me. Any thoughts? |
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Post by robeiae on Oct 21, 2017 16:36:26 GMT -5
A history teacher, apparently.
Imo, any halfway decent teacher makes an effort to vary which students that they call on. It's not rocket science. Prioritizing systematically--based on race, sex, etc.--is not very bright, imo. Announcing that this is the system one is using is even less bright. A teacher can't say "I'm not going to let students in demo group X participate in my class unless I absolutely have to." Well, I guess a teacher can say that, but they should be fired for it, especially at a college level.
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Post by Optimus on Oct 21, 2017 20:01:47 GMT -5
Apparently, she’s not even an actual teacher, just a freaking grad student teaching assistant, so it’s not like she knows WTF she’s talking about anyway. She’s just mindlessly regurgitating the regressive, postmodernist bullshit she’s been brainwashed with by her humanities professors.
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2017 20:49:09 GMT -5
Though I agree this is not the best way the address the issue of white or male privilege -- everyone should have a chance to speak, to be called on, etc. -- I'm kind of meh at the idea that the poor, white male students aren't getting their turn to speak at the moment.
And I have two white male children, so I am considering the repercussions personally.
The pendulum swings, right?
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 21, 2017 21:09:35 GMT -5
Though I agree this is not the best way the address the issue of white or male privilege -- everyone should have a chance to speak, to be called on, etc. -- I'm kind of meh at the idea that the poor, white male students aren't getting their turn to speak at the moment. And I have two white male children, so I am considering the repercussions personally. The pendulum swings, right? You don't fight racism with more racism. And why does white equal privilege? White college students can have many challenges. They may not have to do with the fact that they're white, but that doesn't mean they've had an easy life. A gay college student? Or one that grew up in an abusive home? Or one that may have fought off an illness like cancer? Or lost a loved one when they were young? And here's the thing. These white male students are paying to be educated. They don't get to redo college once the pendulum swings back the other way, or just stops swinging. They have nothing to do with inequities from the past. One of the ppl on Twitter that's been following this mentioned some male student ended up dropping her class because she bullied him on line. She reported the tweet, but probably nothing happened. Point is, if she feels this way, that this is acceptable, how else does it manifest itself. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make sure everyone is heard and participates, but she'd actively denying some students the same chance based on their race and gender. If my daughters had her, I'd be throwing a shit fit with the school as every parent should be doing. |
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Post by Optimus on Oct 21, 2017 21:20:29 GMT -5
If she's going to put her bullshit into practice, and be accurate about it, then she should call on white males before white females, given that the majority of college students, graduates, graduate students, masters recipients, and PhD recipients are female.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 21, 2017 21:25:26 GMT -5
Also, a person, regardless of race or gender may be well spoken, and comfortable talking in front of others, while a white male might be shy, awkward and not good at communicating. It might be harder for him to raise his hand than someone else.
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2017 21:31:23 GMT -5
You don't fight racism with more racism. It's. Not. Racism. Because white males have historically been assumed to be smarter, white males are called on first, and so forth. I.e, racism and sexism. It starts in elementary school, for heaven's sake. I understand. But all things being equal, being white helps. *sigh* And here's the other thing: as a member of a privileged race in our society, listening, instead of talking, is not a bad thing. I'll wager not a single one of these students not called upon is going to get an inferior education because they weren't called on. But again, I think the best thing is for everyone to have a turn to speak. That is the BEST scenario. But what's happening here is not the WORST scenario, and the level of vitriol and disgust is... well, I'd say it's both hilarious and pathetic if I were a mean, spiteful person. In short, as I said, I'm in the "meh" category. |
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 21, 2017 21:59:14 GMT -5
It is discriminating against students because of their race and gender. And it's assuming that POC don't have the ability to participate on their own without her help.
I really don't get the meh. She's saying she'll allow men to participate in class only if she has to. Again, do you not see how that attitude can bleed out into other aspects of her job? I don't understand why discriminating against anyone is a good thing and not, by it's nature, a very bad thing.
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2017 22:23:51 GMT -5
Affirmative action is not racism. It's an attempt to counteract the very real effects of racism.
Now, you've switched your terminology from "racism" to "discrimination." Yes, this teacher is discriminating. She is actively choosing based on race and gender (though, note that a white woman is in third place out of four total--so someone like me is still on low end of the totem pole, and I am fine with that, btw). She's got a hierarchy for who she sees as those most-to-least affected by racism and sexism. That seems reasonable. Statistically speaking, she is correct, I think.
You didn't address my point that maybe white men who aren't called on could just listen, that this might not be a bad thing. You didn't address my point that I don't think white men are going to get an inferior education as a result of not being picked to give their opinion in the classroom.
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Post by Optimus on Oct 21, 2017 22:42:06 GMT -5
Again, she's a grad student teaching assistant. She's not actually even a teacher, so she was pretty much just virtue-signalling out of her ass.
The PhD she's pursuing is in history, so it's doubtful she'll be able to find a job in academia after she graduates anyway given how dry the academic job market is right now and how utterly unmarketable a PhD in humanities is.
1) She's a bigoted idiot. Likely well-meaning (I'm giving her a huge benefit of the doubt here), but still a bigoted idiot.
2) Chances are she won't get the chance to implement her bigoted bullshit on a large number of students anyway.
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2017 22:53:37 GMT -5
Like I said: ....the level of vitriol and disgust is... well... Carry on. |
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Post by michaelw on Oct 21, 2017 22:58:59 GMT -5
Where would this guy land on the totem pole? |
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2017 23:08:46 GMT -5
HOLY SHIT I KNOW THAT GUY.
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Post by nighttimer on Oct 22, 2017 1:44:52 GMT -5
A University of Penn State Student teacher has come under fire for a tweet. www.thecollegefix.com/post/38120/I always call on my black women students first. Other POC get second tier priority. WW come next. And, if I have to, white men. ![]() www.philly.com/philly/columnists/helen_ubinas/university-of-pennsylvania-teaching-assistant-mckellop-progressive-stacking-20171020.htmlNow, the push back seems to be that the teacher is saying she wants to make sure marginalized students are heard, but that's not how the tweet read. It read that she always calls on women of color first, then POC, then WW then if she has to, white men. So if she has a class where every student is willing to participate, she'll never have to call on white men? There's a difference between making sure you're including everyone and having a pecking order based on race, and gender that you follow every time. Seems this is the latter, at least to me. Any thoughts? There is a difference and too bad you don't know what it is. A history teacher, apparently. Imo, any halfway decent teacher makes an effort to vary which students that they call on. It's not rocket science. Prioritizing systematically--based on race, sex, etc.--is not very bright, imo. Announcing that this is the system one is using is even less bright. A teacher can't say "I'm not going to let students in demo group X participate in my class unless I absolutely have to." Well, I guess a teacher can say that, but they should be fired for it, especially at a college level. Wrong. Any halfway decent teacher should make an effort to call upon students who may not have received an opportunity to be called up on because of their race or gender. It is very bright to include someone other than White males all the time, but it's no surprise to notice it's primarily White males displaying the greatest degree of butthurt. How is it the same group which decries any special treatment based upon race and gender has no problem when they are the ones on the receiving end of the special treatment due to their race and gender? Oh, if only there were a better definition of what "progressive stacking" is from a less slanted source than The College Fix. Maybe The Chronicle of Higher Education could help?  Ask someone other than Chad and Brad to contribute in the class discussion? How radical! Only not. It's just White right-wingers getting all hot and bothered over nothing and then spreading the manure around. It's still crap and it still stinks.  Apparently, she’s not even an actual teacher, just a freaking grad student teaching assistant, so it’s not like she knows WTF she’s talking about anyway. She’s just mindlessly regurgitating the regressive, postmodernist bullshit she’s been brainwashed with by her humanities professors. The only person who doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about is you, Opty, because as usual, you rant first and read never. The only regurgitation here is by you with yet another spewing of your boilerplate "REGRESSIVES! REGRESSIVES!" reactionary bullshit. IF you had bothered to check out Vince's first link you'd see The College Fix, which is subtitled "your daily dose of right-minded news and commentary" is just another rag full of junk guaranteed to push the hot buttons of right-wingers and pseudo-libs who hate liberalism. The College Fix is another internet shitpile whose business is to spread Outrage Manure on the gullible and easily rankled, and business is good. It's become something of a standard move here to be ready at all times to roast college instructors as being clueless even as the ones doing so go about it cluelessly without bothering to get their facts straight before getting their undies in a bunch. |
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