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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 12:35:41 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain the flag code does not permit stuffing a flag up a bear's ass. That is not satire. It is real. You too can own Trumpy Bear and his ass-flag for just two easy payments of $19.95. gettrumpybear.comBrush his weird hair! Wrap yourself in his ass-flag! Dangle him from a flagpole! The storm. It's so here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 12:47:41 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the original Teddy bear was named in honor of Theodore Roosevelt. Trump ain't no Roosevelt. But taking that aside, the original Teddy bear did not have a flag stuffed up his ass.
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Everything connected with Trump twists and perverts patriotism. This is a perfect example. Kneeling (a gesture of reverence and submission) during the anthem is a desecration. But stuffing a flag inside a bear? Patriotic! I'm sorry -- that's fucking backwards.
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Post by Optimus on Feb 11, 2018 13:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 13:28:51 GMT -5
A couple additional comments: (1) probably not intended, but I see some humor in the toy being a bear, in light of l'affaire Russe. ( the Russian bear, get it?) (2) does Trump or his family get a cut of the profits? As a lawyer, I'd say that if he weren't president, he'd be entitled to it. Unlike the original "teddy" bear (which used a generic first name to honor a president -- I'll wager a lot of people didn't even know that it was done to honor TR), the Trumpy Bear uses Trump's distinctive last name and hair, clearly evoking Donald Trump and no one else. But I'll also add as a lawyer -- given that he's currently president, it would be extremely improper for Trump to get a cut of the profits. I would bet that at least the Republican Party is profiting, whether directly or via a PAC, and that very likely Trump is profiting in some way. (I would also bet money that Roosevelt, his family, and the Republican party did NOT profit from the Teddy bear.) (3) If it were just a "Trumpy bear" with no flag, and it were clear Trump wasn't profiting in any way, I'd likely shrug. The flag thing alone, though, makes it an abomination. The bear thing makes it a joke (one, granted, that not everyone will get). And the profit question...I'm gonna have to look into that, when I get a chance.
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Post by Optimus on Feb 11, 2018 14:42:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 14:42:31 GMT -5
Here. Everyone please learn the flag code, stat, so I can stop ranting. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8Note that there isn't anything in there about not kneeling in its presence. To be fair, there's nothing specifically forbidding it to be stuffed inside a toy bear with stupid hair, but I think it's implied. Even if it weren't, there are several other ways it is a direct and obvious violation of the flag code.
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Post by Optimus on Feb 11, 2018 14:48:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 14:50:56 GMT -5
Well, yeah. But Trump and his supporters are constantly ranting about the sacredness of the flag, trashing football players they think are disrespecting the flag, etc.
And then they think this kind of shit is awesome.
The fact is, it's exactly reversed. The stuff they condemn is fine. The stuff they think is awesome is a flat violation.
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This is kind of like the people who can't be bothered to RSVP to other people's weddings and then show up with an uninvited guest -- but when it comes to their own wedding, they specify cash gifts only, and/or condemn guests for giving gifts they don't think "pay for their dinners at the reception" or weren't listed on their registry. Their own behavior is an appalling lapse of etiquette. The things they condemn are actually fine. Can they be arrested or fined for their lapses of etiquette and unjust accusations? No. But they are being ignorant just the same.
If you're going to rant and get self-righteous about a piece of etiquette (or, really, anything), at least get it right yourself -- and be sure anyone you are condemning in fact has it wrong.
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Post by Optimus on Feb 11, 2018 15:03:59 GMT -5
Well, yeah. But Trump and his supporters are constantly ranting about the sacredness of the flag, trashing football players they think are disrespecting the flag, etc. And then they think this kind of shit is awesome. The fact is, it's exactly reversed. The stuff they condemn is fine. The stuff they think is awesome is a flat violation. ETA: This is kind of like the people who can't be bothered to RSVP to other people's weddings and then show up with an uninvited guest -- but when it comes to their own wedding, they specify cash gifts only, and/or condemn guests for giving gifts they don't think "pay for their dinners at the reception" or weren't listed on their registry. Their own behavior is an appalling lapse of etiquette. The things they condemn are actually fine. If you're going to rant and get self-righteous about a piece of etiquette (or, really, anything), at least get it right yourself -- and be sure anyone you are condemning in fact has it wrong. I totally agree with you (see: your post signature. ). They hypocrisy of a lot of conservatives on this issue is so thick you could cut it with a knife. But ideologues are rarely logically consistent. Their basic stance is, "It's totally fine when we do it but it's an unforgivable insult when you do it."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 15:20:19 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Feb 11, 2018 15:27:51 GMT -5
Although I agree with your sentiments in general, I must note in all fairness that the zipper to the not-so-secret compartment is horizontal along the neck, not vertical and considerably lower. OTOH, "Dangle him from a flagpole!" has a certain appeal...
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Post by Don on Feb 11, 2018 15:30:52 GMT -5
Gah! How is the story of Roosevelt farming out his dirty work in any way cute? He was on a bear hunting trip. That's why he was there. That's bad enough, but to farm out his dirty work? My respect for him just fell another couple of notches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 15:52:15 GMT -5
Okay, I'm not a hunter, so I'm not in general down with shooting animals for sport.
But Roosevelt didn't "farm out his dirty work." At the time, the back bear was considered a dangerous menace and hunting it was considered courageous. (Read the Post article.) Roosevelt would have shot it if the bear were not cornered and helpless.
But it was. His companions had clubbed the bear, and tied it, half-dead and suffering, to a tree before summoning Roosevelt. Roosevelt took one look at the frightened, wounded, helpless bear and said, yeah, this isn't sport. And he ordered them to shoot the bear because it was suffering, not as a trophy.
According to the Post, that incident led to a gradual shift in attitude towards wild animals in general, and eventually, to an endangered species list that protected them.
re the Trumpy Bear thing:
I know the zipper is in the neck. I was joking, and ass-flag sounded funnier. But the fact is, whether you pull it out of the neck/back or the ass, the flag is stuffed in the body cavity where the entrails would be were this a real animal, including the intestinal area. Within the bear, it is touching the ass. For serious, it's wildly disrespectful.
I am a tad old-fashioned on these things and actually DO care about respecting the flag (which, of course, is why I'm familiar with the flag code). It's just that a lot of people are very, very mistaken (or hypocritical, or biased) about what is and is not disrespect for the flag.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 16:10:18 GMT -5
By the way, is it just me, or is it totally creepy and hilarious that the commercial features adults (not children) playing with a stuffed toy and carrying it everywhere? Teddy's bear was at least a toy for kids, not a political symbol for adults. And it was in fact supposed to represent, not Theodore Roosevelt himself, but rather the bear he refused to shoot (except to put it out of its misery). It was not Teddy Bear -- it was Teddy's bear. Kids hearing that story and cuddling their toy bear would feel empathy with the bear -- which, yes, I think is very likely to affect the way they saw real wild bears. I had a stuffed hippo as a kid I just loved. It was a big surprise to me to learn, much later, that hippos are actually kind of dangerous and ferocious if you annoy them! Actually, I still have a hard time with that, since when I actually saw hippos in the wild in Kenya, they were all piled on top of one another dozing -- they were really cute. If I can dig it up, I'll post a picture. ETA: For that matter, Optimus 's bee videos (and my own follow-up on bees since then, since I was so captivated by them), shifted my attitude towards bees. I previously thought of them mostly as a stinging thing to be swatted, that had the one virtue of making honey. Now I've got a genuine fondness for them and think of them as much more intelligent creatures than I previously did. I wouldn't swat one unless I couldn't avoid it. ETA: shutterfly links to my cute hippo pics (if they work -- never tried linking them this way): pix.sfly.com/bfwa38pix.sfly.com/uKdMA0
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Post by Don on Feb 11, 2018 16:33:17 GMT -5
You're making my case. When it was sporting and courageous, he was right there in line. When it became the dirty job of putting a suffering animal out of its misery, he passed the buck. He should have stepped up and done what had to be done, distasteful as it was, instead of burdening someone else with it. He was supposed to be a leader, right?
As for the ass-flag... yeah, I get it. It's much funnier imagery. I was just being pedantic.
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