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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 13:54:52 GMT -5
Is there even a chance that prosecutors in Broward County have motivations in this highly emotional controversial case that have nothing to do with correctly enforcing Florida law? I mean, it's not like they are under intense pressure from an hysterical angry public to Do Something and Bring Charges Against That Coward. It's not like in such cases prosecutors have never brought charges that shouldn't be brought. It isn't like the good folks in Broward County haven't always shown themselves to always be a highly competent, rigorously scrupulous bunch. It's not like lots of politicians and voters in Florida aren't especially eager to keep their guns and protect the sacred "good guy with a gun solves the problem" maxim, and hence are extra eager to pretend that if Peterson had been a good guy with a gun he would have been able to save the kids, so hey, we don't need to do anything about guns-- in fact we need more of them. Nah, it's the rest of us non-Florida legal folk, the ones who have no dog in the fight and face no pressure that might affect our analysis, who for some reason are mysteriously biased in favor of the Coward of Broward and determined to twist things any way we can to protect him. But it's touching to know your faith in prosecutors is now such that you simply can't believe they could ever have a motivation to bring ill-conceived, thin charges that really don't fit when an angry public is demanding to see someone hung. That seems a new development for you. I confess your new-found faith exceeds mine. You are making a mistake you make repeatedly. Presenting your side as the calm, cool, rational, thinking ones and the other highly emotional and on the verge of rioting and lynching. Which is totally hot garbage.
The tepid snark aside, I don't have any idea what the motivation the prosecution in this case is. All you have is speculation and conjecture. That's good enough for you to cast aspersions, but it's proof of nothing.
As far as me developing any "faith" in the legal system, that's you talking. Don't play that song for me. I know chapter and verse how the legal system fucks over Black people on a regular basis and you couldn't care less about any of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 14:47:43 GMT -5
LOVE the goalpost moving to calling me a racist! Beautifully done, given that this case, this defendant, these circumstances, these victims, the applicable laws and all of my observations on any of it, have shit to do with race. Bravo -- I did not see that coming. Though perhaps I should have, since it's what you do.
Well. It appears I shall not convince you that I am anything but a racist person who is really happy that kids were slaughtered, and apparently you're not going to convince me that you have a point at all beyond "HANG THE COWARD OF BROWARD AND FUCK WHAT THE LAW SAYS AND BY THE WAY YOU'RE A RACIST". So I suggest we wait and see what ultimately happens in this case, shall we?
Perhaps the courts will turn their back on all of the existing precedent and instead bludgeon child neglect statutes so they can plow their way into new and completely uncharted territory that defies that precedent and has all kinds of unrelated, unfortunate, unintended repercussions, just to convict the Coward of Broward.
I mean, just because courts generally don't do that shit, and when they do, they get overturned, doesn't mean that they won't do it this time. Hey, this is the era of Trump. I mean law, schmaw -- it's all about what you want to accomplish, amirite?
The new regime where there isn't even an attempt to follow existing law and precedent should prove interesting for all, in particular minorities and women.
Why on earth should precedent count for shit? Fuck Roe v. Wade, for example. The folks in charge want abortion to be illegal, so fuck it -- let's just do it and not even try to pretend to following existing law. Fuck any statutes on discrimination -- I mean, let's just go for the results the powers that be want. Why even put up a pretense of caring? And if lots of loud upset people want to see someone convicted or put to death, let's just find us a statute, make it mean what we want it to mean, and go for it! All this precedent shit just gets in the way!
Things can only get better if we chuck law and precedent out the window and wing this shit! Wheeeeeeee!
What could go wrong?
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 19:36:57 GMT -5
I know chapter and verse how the legal system fucks over Black people on a regular basis and you couldn't care less about any of it. LOVE the goalpost moving to calling me a racist! Beautifully done, given that this case, this defendant, these circumstances, these victims, the applicable laws and all of my observations on any of it, have shit to do with race. Bravo -- I did not see that coming. Though perhaps I should have, since it's what you do.
Oh, for fuck's sake. Play the Victim Card much? Please find in the above quoted sentence where I called you a racist, and I'll make a contribution to your favorite charity and then out of this thread and away from this board forever. But here's a caution: Be careful how much spin you try to put on those words, Cassandra. You're good with words because you're an attorney, writer and poet. Knowing how to wield precisely the right word in precisely the right situation is art as well as a learned skill. Please respect that as a journalist and writer, I'm pretty good with the words as well and don't have to get my brag on over being a New Yorker to know when someone is speaking fluent Passive-Aggressive.
What the entire fuck is your problem, lady? I know you miss Amadan, but don't start imitating his shtick for ignoring all the relevant parts of a post and locking in with a laser focus on ONE fucking sentence, reading it badly, reasoning it out poorly, ignoring what WAS said and lock on to what you THINK was said, then rush to the wrong conclusion. If I should so much as even mention the racial disparities of your shitty "legal" system, your immediate go-to move is to make it all about you.
Now maybe there's a post somewhere on this board or elsewhere when you have been all up in your feelings about the injustices being perpetuated against a Black man, woman or child with the same degree of passion and ferocity as you have displayed for The Broward Coward, but I'm fucked if any come to my mind at this moment. Not saying you never have. Just saying I can't seem to recall the moment.
WAH! The Mean Black guy called ME a racist. Okay, maybe he didn't directly or actually call ME a racist, but he was addressing ME when he started talking about how malicious prosecutors can wreak havoc on Black defendants---WHICH WAS THE SAME THING I SAID IS BEING DONE TO SCOT PETERSON (as long as you leave out the 'Black defendants' part). Whatever. What matters is The Mean Black Guy didn't actually call ME a racist---not actually or directly---but he made me FEEL LIKE HE DID and that's all I need to go into Full Diva Cassandra Mode!
You do you. Here's what I do.
What you're engaging in now a old legal tactic: “If you’re weak on the facts and strong on the law, pound the law. If you’re weak on the law and strong on the facts, pound the facts. If you’re weak on both, pound the table.”
You're pounding the table. Sorry, but I can't hear you. Is your ego so large and your brain so small that you think everything is about you? I am completely over White people getting all butt-hurt and sensitive whenever it is pointed that their sacred "legal" system consistently fucks over Black Americans to a degree totally disproportionate to our numbers. Tell me what part of this is untrue. That should be good for the giggles.
Let's make it plain. Scot Peterson is no Sandra Bland. He's no Walter Scott. He's no Eric Garner, Rodney King, John Crawford, Rekia Boyd, Amadou Diallo, Tamir Rice or Trayvon Martin. What happened to them and so many others are genuine examples of travesties of justice. What is happening to Peterson is not a travesty of justice.
He's not a victim. And neither are you.
Well, there's this.
You've done this sort of babbling mass hysteria/apocalyptic prediction/extinction level event/ bullshit once already. It wasn't a hit the first time and now you wanna revisit it again?
Can we not and say we did?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 20:03:33 GMT -5
Projection, thy name is nighttimer.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 8, 2019 23:36:56 GMT -5
Projection, thy name is nighttimer. More like, Taketh no shit, thy name is nighttimer.
By the way? You've said more than once you were done with me and had better things to do to spend your weekend scrapping with me. How many posts ago was that anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 8:22:32 GMT -5
You're downright presidential, nighttimer.
The same argument techniques, the same degree of delusion as to the merits of your arguments, the same degree of disdain for facts, truth, logic, and law, the same resorting to blustering, idiotic insults, the same insistence that you've won a great victory even when you've made a complete bumbling ass of yourself, the same projection of your own behavior, errors, and emotions onto others, the same ridiculous ego that bursts into rage at the lightest tough, the same disproportionate emotional rage in reaction to...well, everything, the same adherence to party uber alles, the same way of regarding everyone who coddles your ego and sucks up to you as allies and anyone who disagrees with you as enemies, the same sneering misogyny and sexism you barely bother to veil.
There is no difference between you and Trump but color. Oh, and he has far more Twitter followers.
ETA:
You want the last word? Take it. You'll no doubt beat your chest and proclaim this as a victory (as you do everything), but you're on ignore and you'll stay there.
I have to pay attention to Trump. You, not so much.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 9, 2019 16:31:12 GMT -5
You're downright presidential, nighttimer. The same argument techniques, the same degree of delusion as to the merits of your arguments, the same degree of disdain for facts, truth, logic, and law, the same resorting to blustering, idiotic insults, the same insistence that you've won a great victory even when you've made a complete bumbling ass of yourself, the same projection of your own behavior, errors, and emotions onto others, the same ridiculous ego that bursts into rage at the lightest tough, the same disproportionate emotional rage in reaction to...well, everything, the same adherence to party uber alles, the same way of regarding everyone who coddles your ego and sucks up to you as allies and anyone who disagrees with you as enemies, the same sneering misogyny and sexism you barely bother to veil. There is no difference between you and Trump but color. Oh, and he has far more Twitter followers. How do you know how many Twitter followers I have?
Are you so silly as to believe comparing me to Trump is going to hurt my feelings? Everything you said about Trump you are trying to pin on me can be said about you. That includes the misogyny and the sexism you direct at other women on a regular basis.
What really chaps your stick is the fact that I know your bullshit and unlike your groupies and fanboys, I will call you on your bullshit.
Being put on "Ignore" means nothing to me, Cassandra.
Take a look around. Take a good look around this board, Cassandra. Here we are almost three years in and this place still doesn't have 100 members. Look at the threads. Who do you see participating and posting? I know who you don't see. You don't see Amadan, Christine, celawson, Angie or even Don all that much around the joint. Truth be told, the day of these types of debate boards has seemingly reached their sunset.
There simply aren't a lot of people left willing to deal with your diva shenanigans, Cassandra. Enjoy your deep discussions with mikey.
Never stop you being you.
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Post by Angie on Jun 9, 2019 19:23:08 GMT -5
There have been around 2100 mass shootings since Sandy Hook, accounting for nearly 2400 deaths and more than 8700 wounded.
And until we quit letting the NRA purchase lawmakers, not a goddamn thing is going to be done about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 19:33:11 GMT -5
There have been around 2100 mass shootings since Sandy Hook, accounting for nearly 2400 deaths and more than 8700 wounded. And until we quit letting the NRA purchase lawmakers, not a goddamn thing is going to be done about it. I agree, Angie. On the bright side, though, the NRA may be imploding from the inside. Good article here. (More at the link. ) www.newyorker.com/podcast/political-scene/the-nras-financial-messSo at least they'll have less money with which to buy politicians.
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Post by Angie on Jun 9, 2019 19:41:03 GMT -5
Yes, I saw that - I have stocked up on popcorn to snack on while watching the implosion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 19:45:58 GMT -5
It's interesting. I know several gun owners, but none of them like the NRA. I have no idea whether that's representative. Still, I'm guessing a lot of the NRA's money comes from gun manufacturers and sellers. I'm also guessing that a lot of donors, if they're following that story, are going to be none too pleased about what's happened with their money.
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Post by Angie on Jun 9, 2019 22:25:45 GMT -5
My dad is an NRA member. He's been getting pissed at them lately because they call pretty much every day (sometimes multiple times) for donations. Smacks of desperation to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 22:39:23 GMT -5
Several times a day? Ye gods. Your dad should ask them to take him off their call list. I can't imagine that wouldn't irritate even the most diehard supporter. And yes, it does smack of desperation.
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Post by nighttimer on Jun 10, 2019 8:30:39 GMT -5
There have been around 2100 mass shootings since Sandy Hook, accounting for nearly 2400 deaths and more than 8700 wounded. Oh, hello Angie. How nice to see you posting for the very first time since April in a non-birthday shout-out/non-humor related thread which is over a year old and one you had not previously posted in until immediately after I name-checked you as one of the missing-in-action posters.
Until you weren't. Then you got real active. Now If I were a cynical brutha I'd suspect your sudden presence in this thread is almost as if someone called for your assistance and you came riding to the rescue.
Coincidence? Or something else?
Maybe something else.
Well, back to active shooters and the people who are supposed to take them out. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the role of a law enforcement officer in an active shooting situation. Securing the perimeter and waiting for reinforcements to arrive may seem like the smart move, but while a lone officer or "security guard" is safe in the rear with the gear, there may be innocent victims dying like flies due to the delay.
That would seem to make sense to most sensible people. When the bullets are flying and the bodies are falling, arguing the niceties and complexities of the law takes a back seat to the saving of lives. That is also simply good sense and a concept most sensible people would endorse. Particularly if they can envision how they would want the police to react were it their child's life at risk.
This apparently excludes some members of The Colline Gate.
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Post by mikey on Jun 10, 2019 8:42:06 GMT -5
Enjoy your deep discussions with mikey.
Never stop you being you. Fuck!
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