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Post by robeiae on Aug 18, 2018 10:42:45 GMT -5
My point here is this: Firstly, priests are held in such high esteem that I think no one wants to believe that they could do wrong. Just wanted to highlight this because it's critical for my pov. I think offending priests--and by extension the Catholic Church leadership--continue to get "credit" because of this esteem. Sure, in specific cases they're catching a lot of heat, but it seems to me they're getting let off the hook after the fact, again and again and again. Penn State almost lost it's football program for the transgressions of one guy (it should have, imo). This new report suggests--quite clearly, imo--that every single diocese likely has at least one case of this kind of stuff. And quite obviously, the vast majority have been successfully covered up. Think about that. Whatever percentage of priests are involved almost doesn't matter if there's at least one in every diocese. Imagine if every post office branch had at least one worker who was committing crimes (let's say rape) on their route and this was known to their supervisors on up to the Postmaster General, but was covered up and the workers were moved around to different branches where they continued with their behaviors. The vast majority of postal workers would not be guilty of any crime, right? Yet, it would be hard not to argue that the postal service needed a huge reset, starting with a top to bottom canning of management. This isn't happening with the Catholic Church because it's the Catholic Church and most people think it should be seen in a positive light as a matter of course.
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Post by robeiae on Aug 18, 2018 14:30:43 GMT -5
Cardinal Dolan's (New York) take on the Penn report and his (rather tepid, imo) apology: www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-confronting-scourge-of-abuse-20180816-story.htmlSee, this is exactly what I'm talking about. From his piece: The Church is nowhere close to being a "model of what to do," imo. Claiming such is the case, while simultaneously assuming he is a part of the solution is wrong. Dolan notes in the piece that the latest report cites three offenders from his diocese. And for those unaware, Dolan took over for Rembert Weakland in Milwaukee as Archbishop and was the one in charge when all of the past scandals in that diocese started to come to light, where he--imo--was far more concerned with protecting the diocese, the Papacy, and the Church than he was with dealing openly and honestly with all of the scandals. And he was essentially promoted after all of that. People may think he's a good man, he may think he's a good man, but if he were really a man of God, he would have resigned, as opposed to continuing his climb up the corporate ecclesiastical ladder.
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Post by robeiae on Aug 20, 2018 8:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 8:34:23 GMT -5
Reminds me of certain of Trump's critics in the House and Senate...
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Post by robeiae on Aug 31, 2018 9:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Sept 19, 2018 15:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Sept 20, 2018 7:55:03 GMT -5
So what we have here is a legitimate organization absolutely known to harbor and protect sexual predators. Why are they not being stripped of their legitimacy? If this were McDonalds or CostCo federal investigators would have already shut them down and confiscated all their records.
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Post by robeiae on Sept 20, 2018 8:17:02 GMT -5
Yeah, an awful lot of lives have been ruined by members of the priesthood, and the Church leadership has worked tirelessly to protect the offenders. The Church--as a legal entity--is not being held to account in the least.
Wouldn't you love to see the FBI swarming over the Church offices in DC, slapping handcuffs on bishops and carting off files and computers? Better yet, imagine the same thing with Interpol at the Vatican...
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Post by robeiae on Oct 12, 2018 8:15:54 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/us/cardinal-wuerl-resignation/index.htmlNobility?!?!?!? There's no fucking nobility on display here by the Cardinal, the Pope, or anyone else. See, it's the "healing" and "moving forward" bs that the Church has been offering up for decades. People will give the leadership some credit, assume they're earnestly doing as they say, and the shit will go on until the next scandal breaks.
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Post by markesq on Oct 12, 2018 8:36:02 GMT -5
Every time I see the pope on TV I shake my head. He is and represents everything I detest about religion and it grates hard when I see other atheists praising him for being slightly less of a dick than previous popes.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 12, 2018 11:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Feb 6, 2019 16:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Aug 10, 2019 12:43:29 GMT -5
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Post by michaelw on Aug 10, 2019 21:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Aug 11, 2019 1:03:01 GMT -5
I miss the innocent, halcyon days when this was the most serious Penn priest scandal:
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