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Post by robeiae on Apr 3, 2019 8:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by markesq on Apr 3, 2019 8:39:14 GMT -5
I'd be good with Mayor Pete as the last one standing. But my fear is that all the wrangling and mudslinging ends in Bernie Sanders getting the nomination. Of all the candidates with a reasonable shot of getting the Dem nomination, he's my last choice. I agree, Bernie for me is a last resort.
I really, really like Mayor Pete but have this nagging worry that there is an unseen current of homophobia ready to rise up and wash away his chances in a general election.
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Post by Don on Apr 3, 2019 9:05:39 GMT -5
I'd be good with Mayor Pete as the last one standing. But my fear is that all the wrangling and mudslinging ends in Bernie Sanders getting the nomination. Of all the candidates with a reasonable shot of getting the Dem nomination, he's my last choice. I agree, Bernie for me is a last resort.
I really, really like Mayor Pete but have this nagging worry that there is an unseen current of homophobia ready to rise up and wash away his chances in a general election.
The general public would be fine with it. It will depend on the homophobia among the dem leadership, whether they have the guts to ignore Trump's small but vocal base and appeal to the rest of the country. From what little I know of Mayor Pete, he seems a better choice than any others I've heard discussed. Almost 70 percent of Americans OK with gay presidential candidate, poll finds
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Post by nighttimer on Apr 3, 2019 11:31:15 GMT -5
I'd be good with Mayor Pete as the last one standing. But my fear is that all the wrangling and mudslinging ends in Bernie Sanders getting the nomination. Of all the candidates with a reasonable shot of getting the Dem nomination, he's my last choice. Last choice? Inslee makes your heart all a'flutter? Hickenlooper doesn't have too many syllables in his name? Gabbard isn't a DINO? The best reason I have for not wanting Bernie Sanders to see get the Democratic nomination is he's not even a Democrat! Not that not being a Republican slowed Trump down all that much.
Pete Buttigieg is cool. He's fine. Seems thoughtful and there's reports he's been a pretty good mayor. I don't know if being a mayor of a small American city like South Bend, Indiana should be considered sufficient experience to be president. The risk for Buttigieg is peaking too soon. For all the worry in some quarters that you won't stand a chance of winning the Democratic presidential nomination if you're White and male, two of the top three contenders are White males.
What this may all come down to is what does the electorate want? More of the same same old or something different?
The first female president? (Gillibrand, Harris, Kloubuchar, Gabbard, Warren)
The first openly gay president? (Buttigieg)
The first Latino president (Castro)
The first "I'm-not-Latino-But-People-Think-I-Am-Because-I-Speak-Spanish" president (O'Rourke)
The first Hindu president? (Gabbard)
The first Asian president (Yang)
The next Black president? (Booker, Harris, Messam)
The first Socialist president? (Sanders)
Or just a straight White guy? (Inslee, Hickenlooper, Biden, O'Rourke, Sanders)
It's nice that Mayor Pete is having a moment and his fundraising reflects it. Problem is, moments pass and then you have to sustain the momentum you've built up. Rudy Giuliani, John Edwards, Herman Cain, Fred Thompson and Jesse Jackson can tell you how far that gets you. I had to go out of town yesterday on a mission of mercy and as I tooled down the highway, I listened to Julian Castro on a Sirius XM station. Very thoughtful, very cerebral and very interesting man. Castro checked off a lot of my boxes in what I'm looking for from the next Democratic standard-bearer.
But he's probably gonna be cold toast before the debates start in June. That's a real shame. I thought Castro would have been a much more exciting choice for veep had Hillary selected him over the boring, straight White guy she rode with instead. That's the way it goes.
Still, any of the Dems running would get my vote over the Cretin-In-Chief currently dry-humping our collective legs like a horny poodle. Hell, if Thanos was a Democrat, I'd vote for him over Trump. So long as when he snaps his fingers Trump and all his Deplorables vanish like a bad dream.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 3, 2019 12:09:14 GMT -5
Last word on this, as it's a distraction. I asked a lawyer that works on these issues, and she advised that she's been hired quite often to avoid suspensions for bumping into people in the halls that are written up as sexual assaults. Often, no lawsuit happens. Many of these crazy ones go away if you have a lawyer. They never get an article to reference if you don't sue and it's somewhere like $450-$750 per hour for the type of lawyers that handle this. So if you're poor, you're screwed. If it's a distraction, why do you feel the need to crowbar in a "last word?"
What rules might those be? Don't assume everyone knows as much about what those "rules" Biden wants college kids judged by as you seemingly do. City Journal sounds pretty mainstream and objective, but a quick scoping out of its contents indicates it is anything but.
The Diversity Delusion: How Race and Gender Pandering Corrupt the University and Undermine Our Culture
What Criminologists Don’t Say, and Why: Monopolized by the Left, academic research on crime gets almost everything wrong.
The Marijuana Delusion: States rush to legalize recreational pot, even as evidence of its harms grows.
No Need for Thanks: America rescued Ilhan Omar and her family, but to hear her tell it, we are the ones who should be grateful.
Vandalizing History: Progressives want to reframe even joyous moments from the past into a narrative of oppression.
The Frenzied Search for Racism: Elites bought Jussie Smollett’s story because it confirmed their cherished narrative about a hateful America.
Since Trump got elected despite what Trump has been accused of and admitted to doing, it's a perfectly fair standard.
You've been living under the rule of the biggest hypocrite ever to stink up the White House. As far as being galled goes, I suspect you'll find a way to get over it.
Here's a non bias source. A professor who reports on Title IX issues and is the best source for information. He's a democrat, voted Obama 2x, and is pretty mainstream. kc-johnson.com/campus-due-process-documents/I put a link in earlier on his thoughts on Biden with title ix. The new link shows many pdfs for lawsuits which I've read most of them. You can peruse some some analysis here from him www.mindingthecampus.org/author/kcjohnson/and here academicwonderland.com/author/kcjohnson9/The rules? Normally, they're whatever the college wants them to be. Under threat from the Obama Admin, spearheaded by Biden, federal funding was threatened if they weren't seen to be taking sexual assault seriously. That led, especially in 2014-15-16 to an explosion of lawsuits. College promises in writing a fair hearing, but their initial interview is their hearing when you don't know what you were accused of. Expelled 'victim' insists she isn't a victim. Still suspended or expelled. Prove you couldn't have committed the charge, they'll make one up during deliberations not supported by narrative and expel you. A girl tells the school that she initiated oral sex on someone without asking, then felt uncomfortable but doesn't stop. Okay, they didn't expel him for that, they just prolonged the process for months until he tried to ask a student union that helps minority students for help, and got expelled for talking about it on the same day they finally said not responsible. 2 black kids accused by white girl. Eye witnesses that will say they heard her consent. They guy witnesses aren't interviewed. The female ones are threatened with expulsion themselves. 48 later, expelled. Tell them it's the wrong person, please wait for video that will prove it? No. video proves it? Heading to court to get record expunged Black guy where police and college cleared, then student appeals after you graduate? Ask Mumprey how that worked out. NFL career gone. Kicked out of graduate school. Hey, he didn't even get notified to new hearing. But Biden think that's cool. www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21583974/woman-files-title-ix-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-michigan-stateAnd if a college is sued, they fight to bankrupt you, and then if they didn't follow they're own rules, they change them to avoid future lawsuits, not make the process fair or accurate. I've put plenty in the title ix thread. My point, Biden was a driving force behind this. Now he's accused and he wants to be given the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, Trump is a bigger hypercrite, bigger bully, bigger almost anything. Scuze me for wanting something better.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 3, 2019 12:18:55 GMT -5
One unique critique of Buttigieg I've seen is saying that either he's another white guy, him being gay not being enough to separate him from old white guys, or that he's not gay enough. Whatever that means.
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Post by Optimus on Apr 3, 2019 13:35:16 GMT -5
One unique critique of Buttigieg I've seen is saying that either he's another white guy, him being gay not being enough to separate him from old white guys, or that he's not gay enough. Whatever that means. Yeah, I think that was from a garbage super woke article in Slate recently claiming that him being gay might not make up for the fact that he's still an evil white male. slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/pete-buttigieg-gay-diversity-white-male-candidate.html
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 3, 2019 13:47:02 GMT -5
Sounds about right. Which is wrong. But I've also seen people complaining that being openly gay & married doesn't make him gay enough. I don't know what that means.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 3, 2019 18:12:03 GMT -5
Since I've been hard on Biden, here's a video of his response.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 3, 2019 18:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by Christine on Apr 3, 2019 21:11:36 GMT -5
Meh on that last bit. I like Joe Biden. I'd vote for him. I think he is a good person and not a predator. But I don't think Joe Biden's hugs are going to save the world or some shit. He could totally never hug in public again and I'm quite sure the world would not suffer from it. As far as intentions, they absolutely matter, but they're not exculpatory evidence.
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Post by robeiae on May 15, 2019 7:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by markesq on May 15, 2019 9:02:35 GMT -5
It's ok, Rob, in a couple of days he'll go on TV somewhere else and apologize for apologizing.
I've been waiting for the right person and time to donate, now I'm thinking I'll try and locate a spare spine to hand to Beto.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 9:53:05 GMT -5
I've donated to Joe Biden. I think he stands the best chance at taking out Trump. Picking Kamala Harris as VP would probably be a savvy move.
I like Mayor Pete a lot, but I'm both concerned about his lack of experience, and more importantly, his ability to take out Trump, which is my number one priority. I think Warren gets far more hate than she deserves and not enough credit, but the fact remains that I don't think she can take out Trump, now or ever. My gut is people will like Kamala more as they see more of her (I do for sure), but that she won't be strong enough in 2020 to take out Trump. (After 4 years as VP or secretary of state, though...) Also, I think Biden is the only one who can take out Bernie in the primary without a truly ugly battle. The polls speak pretty loudly on this point.
I'd like to see Mayor Pete and Kamala Harris run for president in future -- 2024. Harris as VP would set her up nicely. Mayor Pete should meanwhile either run for something else on a larger level or else angle for a cabinet position--lord knows he's smart enough. Warren should either stay a senator or angle for the cabinet. Bernie should go away. Everyone else -- run for or stay in the freaking Senate! We need good Senators! It is not just about the presidency!
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Post by nighttimer on May 15, 2019 23:04:21 GMT -5
In light of the current fuck-up in the Oval Office and his embarrassing Amateur Night approach to governance, the value of experience has become a major selling point for me in my choice of presidential candidate.
That leaves out mayors and that includes Pete Buttigieg, Wayne Messam and especially Bill de Blasio. It leaves out Andrew Yang and Marianne Williamson. It leaves out Eric Swalwell, Tim Ryan, Seth Moulton, and Tulsi Gabbard. It leaves out Beto O'Rourke, John Hickenlooper, Steve Bullock and anybody else running for president who should be running for the Senate instead.
It leaves out senior citizens like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden.
I want someone younger, fresher and with the fire in the belly to rally the Democrats, take the fight to Trump, and kick his ass. I haven't decided who is best suited for that job. Not yet anyway, though I do have some preferences among the candidates. It's just too soon to commit.
However, I'd vote for any of the Democrats over the asshole we got now.
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