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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 18:38:01 GMT -5
Oh, dear, we can't have that. It wouldn't be civil. Shall I send you a foul PM dripping with bile or will you send one to me? Once we have that sorted we can take it from there.
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 6, 2019 19:25:26 GMT -5
But disclosing a private message that wasn't even sent to her has to win the prize for nasty. And that's on who shared it AND who posted it. Really unfortunate. Let me be real clear here, both with regard to what transpired and what I see as the "etiquette" of the situation: After I locked the Stoneman Douglas thread, nighttimer did indeed send me a private message, in which he let me know what he thought of me--in no uncertain terms--and declared that he would no longer be a member of this messageboard. I honestly thought that would be the last I would see of him here. But I didn't ban him, so there's nothing preventing him from coming back. And--of course--he did come back. Still, what he did do--when he sent me that message--was flounce, most assuredly. And here's the kicker: when he sent that message, he copied other people in on it, including YOU, people who had nothing to do with the argument that shut down the Stoneman Douglas thread, nothing to do with nighttimer's beef with me (I think he just wanted an audience to see him stick it to me). As far as I'm concerned, when he did that, he surrendered any right to privacy re the contents of that message. And that's exactly what I told Cass and Angie when I shared nighttimer's message with them (because I thought they would enjoy the flounce). Don't like it? Too bad. Again, nighttimer doesn't get to rant at me, share it with you and others, then complain when I share it with people, as well. Neither do you. Point.
Counterpoint.
Simple fact. Simple truth: The Colline Gate is your board, robeiae which you can run any way you so choose to. It's not as though there's anyone you have to be accountable to than yourself.
I could not disagree more with your interpretation of the events and I find your "justification" of sharing a PM with members not included because they had already blocked me, to be self-serving and somewhat disturbing in your casual admission that ANY PM you receive is subject to being shared with others based upon nothing but than a personal whim. Any board where there is not even the most basic adherence to the principle the communications between members and administrations are not for public consumption is a board that deserves to shrivel and die.
I am not the one who shared a PM with the small audience of this board. Cassandra, a supposed attorney did, and robeiae gave it his blessing to the public sharing of message to someone who it was NOT carbon copied to. Christine and celawson are friends of mine. Angie and Cassandra are not. If you possessed even the slightest semblance of fairness the treatment of the private communications of Members between Administrators would be strictly off-limits for public consumption and that includes sharing it with an ex-Moderator and her sidekick.
This isn't the first time someone has wondered if PM's between members here can be read by moderators and administrators. I'm reasonably certain that is not the case, but it should be a chilling notice to everyone on The Colline Gate that a PM can be shared with others just for shit and giggles. That's really sleazy and there's no better word to describe such an act.
That said, I do owe a debt to, robeiae and it is high time I acknowledged it. Had it not been for this board, warts and all, I would have never had the opportunity to communicate with celawson and Christine, on a one-on-one basis, and if for nothing more than than that, I would still express my gratitude to you.
Previously, I had considered celawson to be just another no-knowing, no-thinking Forever Trump Zombie who parroted every line from him and really believed any criticism was coming from far left/socialist snowflakes and an overtly biased, lame stream media peddling fake news about Trump because they hated everything he stood for.
But it wasn't until I encountered her again here that I had the opportunity to dig a little deeper, think a bit more critically, and allow the other side of the argument to be seen as complex individuals like myself instead of cookie-cutter cartoons of Republican and conservative doggerel. The unhappy truth is that while the Left doesn't have an equivalent to Rush Limbaugh, National Review, Fox News, Roger Ailes, or Ann Coulter, we are just as programmed and being force-fed positions, beliefs, opinions and thoughts that are not entirely of our own.
celawson has been a great comfort to me on a personal matter that has left me beaten, broken and scarred. My entire family has spent far too much goddamn time in emergency rooms, hospitals and rehabilitation centers. If not for her advice, suggestions, observations and just fucking listening to me in a particularly low moment, I might have self-medicated myself into total obliviousness. Because my family is going through some extremely heavy shit with someone very near and dear to me and in her non-Colline Gate real life as someone who knows a lot about strokes, celawson has helped me in times when I have been confused, depressed and at my lowest depths. Now despite celawson have nothing in common politically with me, I have come to know her ia decent, kind, thoughtful, intelligent person and loving person. Yes, she is a Republican and a die-hard conservative and over the years here and elsewhere, I have given her even more hell than Cassandra, and that takes some doing!
I do not understand why she supports Donald Trump while I support Joe Biden and any other Democrat in 2020 to beat him, but our commonalities about family, country and the future overshadow our political and philosophical differences.
It's funny. In terms of political leanings I should be more in line with Cassandra and even Optimus than celawson, but it didn't shake out that way. There was a window of opportunity where it was possible to forge a working relationship with self-declared "liberals" who were on different stage on The Leftism Scale. That window has closed now, so I give zero fucks what Cassandra or Optimus have to say about me or much of anything else. I can only be offended by someone I respect and I respect an authentic conservative than I do phony-ass "liberals" who believe it is their God-given right to define what the agenda should be for everybody else.
Fuck that shit and fuck it hard. I do not accept the whiny and sanctimonious rants of hypocrites .
celawson has never called me an "asshole" though I'm pretty sure it has run through her mind more than once, "Ooooh--nighttimer is SUCH an asshole!" It is almost funny how the openly conservative of this board has demonstrated more civility and simple class and decency to me than the supposed "moderate-to-liberal" contingent has. How does that work exactly? Oh yeah, that's right. celawson assumes good intentions until proven otherwise. She should possibly consider creating a TED talk on how to debate with people who hate your stinkin' guts and yet retain a sense of comity and respect despite it all.
Or maybe celawson is excoriated, rebuked and scorned for holding a heretic for keeping the faith to her beliefs and that's why she is so often treated as an aberrant abnormality in The Colline Gate as much as I am for being unapologetically authentic for thinking Black first, talking Black first, defending Black first and being Black first with no apologies provided and no explanations of why this is so.
Cassandra and Optimus can try to put me on blast, but they could not be more unprepared and unqualified for the job. They are little more than yet another pair of fake-ass "liberals" who are legends in their own tiny minds and labor under the same delusion that Joe Biden that he is insulated and immune from being critiqued on their racial statements and deeds. What they do not and can not wrap their tiny little brain stems around is Democrats are only as useful to Black people as their willingness to share power with their most supportive, loyal and consistent base and no, it is NOT some goddamned soccer mom in Kansas or coal miner in West Virginia.
That's not going to happen without a big fight and that's why Joe Biden is being sold as not his first term but Barack Obama's third.
It is also why if I had to bet for or against a second term for Donald John Trump in July 2020, with a surging economy, unemployment down, and no major war besides the never-ending farce in Afghanistan, the odds are decidedly in his favor for winning a second term.
That is when the fun will really begin.
But if it's more fun to fuck with me because Cassandra is sporting a lady boner, PLEASE continue with trying to defend the egregious exposure of a personal communication for the pettiest of petty-ass reasons.
It's transparent, it's indefensible and it's slimy, but at least everybody knows what time it is. Finally.
Kamwe usiacha kuwa wewe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:40:22 GMT -5
So why are you here? Exchange emails with celawson, be true to your flounce, and escape all of us unworthy lightweights who fail to appreciate you.
Hell, you have a whole 'nother board where apparently they appreciate your magnificence. As far as I know, celawson hasn't been banned over there. You can go romp there among the righteous.
Why come here with all of us bad, rotten, no good, unworthy lightweights, after you took all that effort to write a flounce? Seems a pity to waste it, not to mention all your precious posting time here casting your pearls before swine.
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 6, 2019 20:22:43 GMT -5
So why are you here? Exchange emails with celawson, be true to your flounce, and escape all of us unworthy lightweights who fail to appreciate you. Hell, you have a whole 'nother board where apparently they appreciate your magnificence. As far as I know, celawson hasn't been banned over there. You can go romp there among the righteous. Why come here with all of us bad, rotten, no good, unworthy lightweights, after you took all that effort to write a flounce? Seems a pity to waste it, not to mention all your precious posting time here casting your pearls before swine. Here's the thing, Cassandra. I have not been banned from The Colline Gate and until such time as I am, all your agitating for a different result is based upon your own wine-fueled fantasies and hateful spitefulness and pettiness.
You can shit all over the previous board you were on until you permaflounced. Nobody cares. What is quite significant to you is quite insignificant to everyone else. Nobody else but you even gives a damn.
What makes you such a bad, rotten, unworthy lightweight is you are all too eager to sell out your supposed principles and high-minded rhetoric if you have even the slightest chance of taking a shot at someone who dares to call you out on your b.s.
I come here for one reason. I was invited to. And I don't owe you any more motherfucking explanation than that. I have no illusions I occupy the same prominence here you do. However, until such time as I commit a more egregious violation of this board than you have, I'm here and if that bugs you, oh fucking well. Cry me a river.
Or if you prefer since you have taken me off of Ignore, I can send you a personal message which you can then share on the whole board for everybody else to share in the fun.
Never stop being you.
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Post by prozyan on Jul 6, 2019 21:16:24 GMT -5
I'm not going to wade into the middle of this, as it seems personal.
I just want to add my voice in saying that sharing a private message to the public is pretty shitty.
I can't really get behind Rob's reasoning for sharing it with others.
There is no need to repeat that the feeling is NT "waived" privacy by CCing others. I understand that is the argument being made. I just don't buy into it.
So yeah, in my view no matter how abrasive NT can be....that was a pretty shitty thing to do.
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Post by Vince524 on Jul 6, 2019 21:19:23 GMT -5
Hey guys.... remember when we were discussing the election in this thread?
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 6, 2019 21:26:59 GMT -5
I'm not going to wade into the middle of this, as it seems personal. I just want to add my voice in saying that sharing a private message to the public is pretty shitty. I can't really get behind Rob's reasoning for sharing it with others. There is no need to repeat that the feeling is NT "waived" privacy by CCing others. I understand that is the argument being made. I just don't buy into it. So yeah, in my view no matter how abrasive NT can be....that was a pretty shitty thing to do. Anything I could add after this would be superfluous. Hey guys.... remembNer when we were discussing the election in this thread? Yeah, I do. And I'm here for it and not all this mundane and trivial garbage where you don't like me and I don't like you and we have nothing else in common. Fuck all that. It's a tedious, tiresome and needless derail, but when you have both the Powers That Be and the Former Powers That Be doing the derailing, what else can you do but hope they finally give up on the personal and petty B.S. and get back to the topic.
Now if only everyone else were instead of all this Mickey Mouse high school bullshit just maybe we could get back to discussing the goddamned 2020 election instead of all this weak-ass personal crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 8:40:07 GMT -5
I'm not going to wade into the middle of this, as it seems personal. I just want to add my voice in saying that sharing a private message to the public is pretty shitty. I can't really get behind Rob's reasoning for sharing it with others. There is no need to repeat that the feeling is NT "waived" privacy by CCing others. I understand that is the argument being made. I just don't buy into it. So yeah, in my view no matter how abrasive NT can be....that was a pretty shitty thing to do. My reasoning is different from Rob's. Don't get me wrong -- I agree with Rob's reasoning, but it's secondary for me. I arrive at "fuck NT's message being confidential" even without celawson and Christine. Should you or anyone send me a solid wall of insults via PM, whether or not you cc your buddies, I'll feel free to broadcast it far and wide. If you consult me privately on a question or tell me something in confidence, that is an entirely different matter. I'll keep that quiet forever. If we later have a fight as friends, I'll continue to keep it quiet; the reasonable expectation at the time you sent the message was privacy, and that should be respected. But there was no such reasonable expectation here. NT wasn't consulting Rob as a mod to address an issue on the board, nor was he consulting him (or arguing with him) as a friend. It was a one-way tidal wave of abuse directed at an enemy. It was a mere screed of vitriolic abuse and personal insult, ending in a flounce, after which NT not only had the nerve to come back, but then to deny it ever happened. (I posted only the conclusion of that message. Frankly, I'm really tempted to post the rest. NT really outdid himself, and that takes some doing.) Seriously, Prozyan, when someone sends you an insult-bomb hate message just to tell you how much you suck, you feel some obligation to them? "Oh, gee, they sent it via PM, they only wanted their friends they cc'ed to know they sent me a page of insults, so I guess I gotta keep it confidential." Yeah, fuck that noise -- whether or not they cc their buddies. Nighttimer can fuck right off. I will never forgive him or exchange a civil word with him again after that message. He should have stayed flounced and I truly don't understand why Rob hasn't banned his miserable ass. WTF is confidential about a screed of insult? Regardless of whether NT sent it by PM, email, text message, fed-ex, snail mail, voicemail, smoke signal, telegraph, or slid a note under the door, a message that contains nothing but abuse for the recipient does not leave ANY obligation in the recipient. Hate mail is private? That's nonsense, IMO. Hate mail is a form of harassment. I'll be damned if I can see why Rob should just sit back and be a private punching bag for NT -- especially when NT brought an audience for himself. Fuck. That. Noise. ETA: So, Prozyan. If I send you a PM cc'ing Angie and Rob that is a mere tirade of abuse and insult, is your thought "gee, Cass sent this by PM, so obviously she wanted it kept between me and her two buddies. I guess I can't tell Opty and Vince about it. It's private." Yeah, no, I doubt it. If Vince were to send Angie sexually suggestive stuff via PM, cc'ng you and Opty, does Angie have an obligation to keep it quiet because Vince sent it via PM? Fuck, no. (ETA: My apologies, Vince. I know you'd never send a message like that to Angie or anyone. I used you in this hypothetical because everyone knows you'd never send such a message. ) A PM has the same privacy expectations as a letter, email, text, DM on Twitter, or really, any conversation between 2 people (much less 4 people) that doesn't come with a professional obligation of confidentiality (lawyer, doctor, priest)* or some promise of confidentiality (as between friends). There's nothing magic about a PM. Any obligation of confidentiality depends on circumstances. -- the relationship between the people, the content of the message, the audience. Here, we had pure hate mail, and hate mail that moreover included the sender's chosen audience for no other purpose than to be an audience. Sorry, no expectation or obligation of privacy there. Hate trolls have no expectation of privacy. *BTW, even with such professional obligations, there isn't a blanket "I said it to a lawyer, so it's therefore sacred and untouchable." E.g., the lawyer has to be YOUR lawyer--he has to have accepted that obligation. But even if he is your lawyer, by the way, not everything you say to him is a privileged communication. E.g., if you email him about a problem and cc two random people who aren't essential to the communication, just for funsies, you've waived the lawyer/client privilege with regard to that message. All that said, neither Rob nor I has anything like the obligations of a lawyer in this scenario. I'm just saying -- the level of confidentiality of any communication depends on the circumstances. Yeah. Anyway. Even if you consider Rob to have some kind of sacred obligation as a mod to be a punching bag (and why, exactly?) I'll be damned if I can see how it holds when NT chose to bring two people who haven't even posted here for months into the "private" conversation. ETA: Moreover, NT triply forfeited any "confidentiality" expectation when he fucking lied. He flounced--there can be no dispute. I was contenting myself with a jab that everyone who hadn't seen his message might well have taken as a joke. NT could have ignored it. Or he could have owned it "yes, I did say I was flouncing, though I'd intended that to be private, but now I've changed my mind." Had he done either, I wouldn't have posted that snippet--there'd be no reason. But he and his fucking ego couldn't leave it alone. No, he had to accuse me of lying about it and blast out his signature brand of Trumpish vitriol accusing me of being a liar, etc. At that point, fuck yeah, I'm going to prove he's a liar. At that point, it's self-defense. (That's why I posted only the relevant portion rather than the entire hateful screed--it was sufficient to make my point.) It was ridiculous of him to deny it, and outrageous that he accused me of lying. (This is a completely independent ground, I think, for disclosing a private communication. You don't get to lie about something and get a free pass because you did that something "privately", IMO.) A rule of "confidentiality" that merely allows a troll to harass and spew abuse, share it with his friends, and then deny he ever sent it, accusing others of lying -- wtf. That's not a thing, nor should it be. That would serve only to protect trolls and harassers. I believe the only reason this particular message was sent privately at all was because NT knew he'd look like an utter asshole if anyone other than his friends saw it, and even as he flounced, he wanted to be able to later pretend he didn't--to come right back firing his usual bullshit abuse as though it had never happened. He wanted all the satisfaction of being a flouncing troll with none of the consequences. That's just ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 8:54:14 GMT -5
I'm not going to wade into the middle of this, as it seems personal. I just want to add my voice in saying that sharing a private message to the public is pretty shitty. I can't really get behind Rob's reasoning for sharing it with others. There is no need to repeat that the feeling is NT "waived" privacy by CCing others. I understand that is the argument being made. I just don't buy into it. So yeah, in my view no matter how abrasive NT can be....that was a pretty shitty thing to do. Anything I could add after this would be superfluous. Hey guys.... remembNer when we were discussing the election in this thread? Yeah, I do. And I'm here for it and not all this mundane and trivial garbage where you don't like me and I don't like you and we have nothing else in common. Fuck all that. It's a tedious, tiresome and needless derail, but when you have both the Powers That Be and the Former Powers That Be doing the derailing, what else can you do but hope they finally give up on the personal and petty B.S. and get back to the topic.
Now if only everyone else were instead of all this Mickey Mouse high school bullshit just maybe we could get back to discussing the goddamned 2020 election instead of all this weak-ass personal crap.
You're not here for discussions. You came because you hated Rob and Amadan and weren't allowed to abuse them like that in another forum. I realized that too late, and I deeply regret inviting you here. You would have been banned a thousand times over at AW if you'd behaved as you did here, and I think you should have been banned here, since you've thoroughly violated the rules a thousand times. Don't even pretend you want to discuss things. You came to be a wrecking ball. Mea culpa. I should have seen it sooner than I did. ETA: BTW, you're still on ignore, as you'll find if you try to send me a PM. Anything you say to me, you can say in public and own. I have the luxury of deciding whether to view and respond to your posts. I'm choosing to do so here to call you out on your bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 11:31:47 GMT -5
I do owe an apology to one person here, and that's robeiae . (He doesn't owe an apology to anyone in this scenario.) I didn't ask him about posting that snippet, and perhaps I should have done so. While I absolutely give the pfft to any notion of that hateful screed entitling NT to anything from Rob or anyone, Rob is another matter. My apologies, Rob. My excuse is this: the screed also insulted me, I took some personal affront to it as well as offense on your behalf, and when NT lied and, to add insult to injury, accused me of lying, I lost my temper. (And, well, that's been building for a while. We've both taken a lot of abuse, public and private, from NT.) I felt the need to defend myself. You did not ask me to keep it confidential. Still, as a friend, I think I should have asked you, and I'm sincerely sorry. But to NT. Pfft. No. Sorry. This "aging cheerleader" does not owe an apology to NT, and neither does Rob.
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 7, 2019 14:11:12 GMT -5
I'm not going to wade into the middle of this, as it seems personal. I just want to add my voice in saying that sharing a private message to the public is pretty shitty. I can't really get behind Rob's reasoning for sharing it with others. There is no need to repeat that the feeling is NT "waived" privacy by CCing others. I understand that is the argument being made. I just don't buy into it. So yeah, in my view no matter how abrasive NT can be....that was a pretty shitty thing to do. My reasoning is different from Rob's. Don't get me wrong -- I agree with Rob's reasoning, but it's secondary for me. I arrive at "fuck NT's message being confidential" even without celawson and Christine. Should you or anyone send me a solid wall of insults via PM, whether or not you cc your buddies, I'll feel free to broadcast it far and wide. If you consult me privately on a question or tell me something in confidence, that is an entirely different matter. I'll keep that quiet forever. If we later have a fight as friends, I'll continue to keep it quiet; the reasonable expectation at the time you sent the message was privacy, and that should be respected. But there was no such reasonable expectation here. NT wasn't consulting Rob as a mod to address an issue on the board, nor was he consulting him (or arguing with him) as a friend. It was a one-way tidal wave of abuse directed at an enemy. It was a mere screed of vitriolic abuse and personal insult, ending in a flounce, after which NT not only had the nerve to come back, but then to deny. (I posted only the conclusion. Frankly, I'm really tempted to post the rest. NT really outdid himself, and that takes some doing.) Seriously, Prozyan , when someone sends you an insult-bomb hate message, you feel some obligation to them? "Oh, gee, they sent it via PM, they only wanted their friends to know they sent me a page of insults, so I guess I gotta keep it confidential." Yeah, fuck that noise -- whether or not they cc their buddies. Nighttimer can fuck right off. I will never forgive him or exchange a civil word with him again after that message. He should have stayed flounced and I truly don't understand why Rob hasn't banned his miserable ass. WTF is confidential about a screed of insult? Regardless of whether NT sent it by PM, email, text message, fed-ex, snail mail, voicemail, smoke signal, telegraph, or slid a note under the door, a message that contains nothing but abuse for the recipient does not leave ANY obligation in the recipient. Hate mail is private? That's nonsense, IMO. Hate mail is a form of harassment. I'll be damn if I can see why Rob should just sit back and be a private punching bag for NT -- especially when NT brought an audience for himself. Fuck. That. Noise. ETA: So, Prozyan. If I send you a PM cc'ing Angie and Rob that is a mere tirade of abuse and insult, is your thought "gee, Cass sent this by PM, so obviously she wanted it kept between me and her two buddies. I guess I can't tell Opty and Vince about it. It's private." Yeah, no, I doubt it. If Vince were to send Angie sexually suggestive stuff via PM, cc'ng you and Opty, does Angie have an obligation to keep it quiet because you sent it via PM? Fuck, no. A PM has the same privacy expectations as a letter, email, text, DM on Twitter, or really, any conversation between 2 people (much less 4 people) that doesn't come with a professional obligation of confidentiality (lawyer, doctor, priest)* or some promise of confidentiality (as between friends). There's nothing magic about a PM. Any obligation of confidentiality depends on circumstances. -- the relationship between the people, the content of the message, the audience. Here, we had pure hate mail, and hate mail that moreover included the sender's chosen audience for no other purpose than to be an audience. Sorry, no expectation or obligation of privacy there. Hate trolls have no expectation of privacy. *BTW, even with such professional obligations, there isn't a blanket "I said it to a lawyer, so it's therefore sacred and untouchable." E.g., the lawyer has to be YOUR lawyer--he has to have accepted that obligation. But even if he is your lawyer, by the way, not everything you say to him is privileged. E.g., if you email him about a problem and cc two random people who aren't essential to the communication, just for funsies, you've waived the lawyer/client privilege with regard to that message. Yeah. Anyway. Even if you consider Rob to have some kind of sacred obligation as a mod to be a punching bag (and why, exactly?) I'll be damned if I can see how it holds when NT decides to bring two people who haven't even posted here for months into the "private" conversation. ETA: Moreover, NT triply forfeited any "confidentiality" expectation when he fucking lied. He flounced--there can be no dispute. I was contenting myself with a jab that everyone who hadn't seen his message might well have taken as a joke. NT could have ignored it. Or he could have owned it "yes, I did say I was flouncing, though I'd intended that to be private, but now I've changed my mind." Had he done either, I wouldn't have posted that snippet--there'd be no reason. But he and his fucking ego couldn't leave it alone. No, he had to accuse me of lying about it and blast out his signature brand of Trumpish vitriol accusing me of being a liar, etc. At that point, fuck yeah, I'm going to prove he's a liar. At that point, it's self-defense. (That's why I posted only the relevant portion rather than the entire hateful screed--it was sufficient to make my point.) It was ridiculous of him to deny it, and outrageous that he accused me of lying. (This is a completely independent ground, I think, for disclosing a private communication. You don't get to lie about something and get a free pass because you did that something "privately", IMO.) A rule of "confidentiality" that merely allows a troll to harass and spew abuse, share it with his friends, and then deny he ever sent it, accusing others of lying -- wtf. That's not a thing, nor should it be. That would serve only to protect trolls and harassers. I believe the only reason this particular message was sent privately at all was because NT knew he'd look like an utter asshole if anyone other than his friends saw it, and even as he flounced, he wanted to be able to later pretend he didn't--to come right back firing his usual bullshit abuse as though it had never happened. He wanted all the satisfaction of being a flouncing troll with none of the consequences. That's just ridiculous. Anything I could add after this would be superfluous. Yeah, I do. And I'm here for it and not all this mundane and trivial garbage where you don't like me and I don't like you and we have nothing else in common. Fuck all that. It's a tedious, tiresome and needless derail, but when you have both the Powers That Be and the Former Powers That Be doing the derailing, what else can you do but hope they finally give up on the personal and petty B.S. and get back to the topic.
Now if only everyone else were instead of all this Mickey Mouse high school bullshit just maybe we could get back to discussing the goddamned 2020 election instead of all this weak-ass personal crap.
You're not here for discussions. You came because you hated Rob and Amadan and weren't allowed to abuse them like that in another forum. I realized that too late, and I deeply regret inviting you here. You would have been banned a thousand times over at AW if you'd behaved as you did here, and I think you should have been banned here, since you've thoroughly violated the rules a thousand times. Don't even pretend you want to discuss things. You came to be a wrecking ball. Mea culpa. I should have seen it sooner than I did. I do owe an apology to one person here, and that's robeiae . (He doesn't owe an apology to anyone in this scenario.) I didn't ask him about posting that snippet, and perhaps I should have done so. While I absolutely give the pfft to any notion of that hateful screed entitling NT to anything from Rob or anyone, Rob is another matter. My apologies, Rob. My excuse is this: the screed also insulted me, I took some personal affront to it as well as offense on your behalf, and when NT lied and, to add insult to injury, accused me of lying, I lost my temper. (And, well, that's been building for a while. We've both taken a lot of abuse, public and private, from NT.) I felt the need to defend myself. You did not ask me to keep it confidential. Still, as a friend, I think I should have asked you, and I'm sincerely sorry. But to NT. Pfft. No. Sorry. This "aging cheerleader" does not owe an apology to NT, and neither does Rob. Your hatred is strong. Much stronger than your reasoning.
You are a very angry person and you are a narcissist who postures as being oh-so-sophisticated and worldly-wise, yet just below the surface you are a fountain of rage and resentment. You take shit personally that personally is none of your business.
Your rationalizations for posting a message are indefensible. If anyone here has made a strong case for being banned, I'd say you've made it with all your "fuck you's" and "assholes" and other slurs.
robeiae has not banned me from the board not because I haven't done anything worth being banned for, but quite possibly because he said he wasn't going to and he was going to moderate the board with a lighter touch. I'm fairly certain he wasn't expecting it would turn into the Wild West with "fuck you!" flying around like bullets, but c'est la vie. All I can say let she who is without sin cast the first stone.
Because as far as The Rules go, let the person issuing the "fuck you" join the person who responds, "no--fuck you" on the outside looking in.
Because if The Rules are how decisions are made to suspend or ban someone then I'm not the only one deserving of that sanction.
Because as far as The Rules go, you've taken a giant dump on more than a few of them.
Now it seems as though you're not quite as down for following The Rules. Is it because when you quit on robeiae as a Moderator and became just another schmuck on this board, you had carved out a special exemption for yourself where The Rules no longer applied or only when you felt like following The Rules?
You say, "Frankly, I'm really tempted to post the rest. NT really outdid himself, and that takes some doing."
I say, do whatever blows your hair back. If you believe making me look bad will make you look good, go for it. There's nothing between you but air and opportunity. Knock yourself out.
You say, "Nighttimer can fuck right off. I will never forgive him or exchange a civil word with him again after that message."
I say, I do not care. I do not need your forgiveness and would never ask for it. Nor is it necessary to exchange a civil word with me again after that message or before that message. My world will go on quite nicely without any comment from you ever again.
You say, "He should have stayed flounced and I truly don't understand why Rob hasn't banned his miserable ass."
I say, if you change the pronoun from "he/him" to "she/her" the exact same thing applies to you.
You say, "Moreover, NT triply forfeited any "confidentiality" expectation when he fucking lied. He flounced--there can be no dispute. I was contenting myself with a jab that everyone who hadn't seen his message might well have taken as a joke. NT could have ignored it. Or he could have owned it "yes, I did say I was flouncing, though I'd intended that to be private, but now I've changed my mind." Had he done either, I wouldn't have posted that snippet--there'd be no reason. But he and his fucking ego couldn't leave it alone. No, he had to accuse me of lying about it and blast out his signature brand of Trumpish vitriol accusing me of being a liar, etc. At that point, fuck yeah, I'm going to prove he's a liar. At that point, it's self-defense. (That's why I posted only the relevant portion rather than the entire hateful screed--it was sufficient to make my point.) It was ridiculous of him to deny it, and outrageous that he accused me of lying. (This is a completely independent ground, I think, for disclosing a private communication. You don't get to lie about something and get a free pass because you did that something "privately", IMO.)"
I say, it's interesting to be called a liar by someone who does it so effortlessly and naturally as breathing. Perhaps it's your own Trumpish quirk where everyone else is at fault but you're as pure as the driven snow. Vince interprets your post in a way you are annoyed by? Vince is mansplaining. celawson takes a position in support of Trump? Oh, she's gonna get spanked for that. NT is not playing nice with me in a thread? Well, first I'm going to make a public declaration that I'm putting him on Ignore and there he shall stay until he's not and then my bae will show up in a thread she's never posted in ever immediately after NT mentions her name.
Lied? Lying? Liar? Lie? From you? Of all people? You might want to find another angle of attack because as far as who's better and who's best at deceit, manipulation, falsehood, and deception, I'm merely a talented amateur at something you take professional pride in.
One is us is coming off as if they are having an emotional break and clue---it's you.
Maybe you need to calm down. Have some tea.
Since you obviously don't feel like The Rules no longer apply or at least don't apply to you, why don't you stop with all the foreplay and get around to calling me what you REALLY want to call me, Cassandra? It will make you feel so much better. You've shredded so many other rules and principles and traditions and common standards of simple decency, so what's one more?
There's the line. It's the last line. Cross it. Don't wuss out now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 14:19:06 GMT -5
Oh goody. It's time for NT to call me a racist. Again. I mean, fine for him to call me, e.g., an aging cheerleader. That's not sexist. But by definition, anything I say to him is racist. He gets to say whatever bullshit he likes, to anyone he likes. But anyone who gets in his face is racist. The only one falling for this shit is celawson, NT. And she falls for Trump's shit too. It's about misplaced blind personal loyalty to you and animosity towards me, not about you being right. You could shoot me on 5th avenue, and she'd cheer you on and justify it. To the extent I've aimed an attack at you, it's supported 8 times over. E.g., I called you a liar. But I did so after I proved you lied. (There was absolutely zero possibility of you being mistaken about whether you flounced, so no need to give any benefit of the doubt to your simply being mistaken or uninformed. It was a blatant lie, one you thought you could get away with.) If you'll recall from past discussions of the rules here, that's in bounds as long as you support it by pointing to a specific indisputable example. As for calling you a troll, well....
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Post by nighttimer on Jul 7, 2019 15:47:13 GMT -5
Oh goody. It's time for NT to call me a racist. Again. I mean, fine for him to call me, e.g., an aging cheerleader. That's not sexist. But by definition, anything I say to him is racist. He gets to say whatever bullshit he likes, to anyone he likes. But anyone who gets in his face is racist. It's time for NT to call me a racist. Again.
When exactly did I call you a racist? Show the receipts, please, or it didn't happen.
I mean, just because you treat me in a way you treat nobody else and you say things to me you do not say to anyone else and behave in a way toward me in a way you do not behave toward anyone else, does not mean you are a racist.
It means you have one standard in regards to me and another for everyone else who is not me. You liked me then you didn't then you did again and now you don't again. That makes you a little schizoid, but I'm not a doctor, so my opinion can be disregarded on that score.
But racist? Nope. If you were a racist you would have called me something you call nobody else. I certainly gave you the opportunity and the line would have been crossed, but you didn't so hooray. You're not a racist!
Happy now?
Oh, and to the extent I have called you "an aging cheerleader" maybe that's a wee bit sexist or at least sexist-adjacent, but when you are acting like an aging cheerleader, I have no choice but to call things by their correct name.
Which is still less of an insult than "asshole."
And what do you say when your "friends" come to your rescue in a thread they have no interest in? What do you call it when other posters too chickenshit to say what they would like to say to me, "like" your post because you aren't a chickenshit like they are?
What's prozyan's reason for "falling for this shit?" We don't hang out, so why should he have a take on your creepy act that it was wrong? I'd say falling for this shit perfectly encompasses what they are doing and it's about misplaced blind loyalty, not about you being right.
Demonstrating yet again, every bad behavior, every childish taunt, every wild accusation, and every criticism you can levy at ME can be applied equally to YOU.
<Insert chuckle here>
Oh, Cassandra. You really are a legend in your own mind, aren't you? You think by sharing a PM you were not included in is you proving I'm a liar? All you proved is how spiteful you are and how sleazy you are willing to be to try and put me on blast.
When you try to throw feces at others the way the monkeys in the zoo do, you can't do so without getting some on yourself. I'm not the one disclosing PM's. That's you, old pal. That's ALL on you and that half-assed, totally insincere "apology" you offered to robeiae comes a day late and several dollars short. You fucked that up, got called out on it by others not named nighttimer and now the only way you think you can't unfuck yourself is by threatening to release the entire PM?
At the end of the day, it's still robeiae's board and he can make whatever decision he wants to regarding my continued presence here---as well as yours. Because while "proving" I'm a liar is subject to interpretation, calling me an "asshole" is not. Therefore, whatever his decision is, I'm not going to attempt to influence it one way or the other. I leave that sort of shenanigans to you.
Because you had that power and all the authority that came with it and you used it. You enjoyed having that power until you gave it away and now you can't. And that kinda chaps your butt, because if you did, I would not be here now engaging in a pointless, worthless and frankly pretty fucking boring exchange of posts that have zippity-doo-dah to do with the 2020 Presidential Campaign. Mostly because you are kinda petty and hyper-sensitive and easily flummoxed and you want robeiae to do for you what you can't do for yourself.
Que sera, sera. You be you.
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Post by prozyan on Jul 7, 2019 15:50:43 GMT -5
So, Cass. Yeah, pretty much. Private is private.
Insults? Who gives a shit....what are we, children? If someone is a vile, disgusting piece of shit to me in private, I'm probably not going to engage with that person. But I'm not going to share a private message without a damn good reason.
Your example of creepy sex stalking would be such a reason.
Being called names....who cares?
And I'm not falling for any bullshit. I know NT is abrasive. We've butted heads a few times. We've been on the same side a few times. I think he's over the top sometimes. I think YOU are over the top sometimes. Whatever. I'm not condoning or supporting EITHER of you hurling insults at the other.
All I'm saying is sharing a private message - that from what I understand wasn't even SENT TO YOU - to a public board is a pretty shitty thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 15:54:32 GMT -5
I think that's ridiculous, and does nothing but protect and empower abusers, trolls, and harassers.
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My take: a private dispute with a friend is private (even if it ends the friendship). Private info (in a message board context like this one, that means e.g , real name behind screen names or emails, known only because of friendship) is private. Past confidences made because of then-existing friendship, or any communication where the recipient, regardless of relationship, pledged confidentiality: private. Disclosures made solely because the recipient had a legal duty to keep them confidential: obviously private.
But one way screeds-o-hate? Sent to someone who is decidedly not your friend, and indeed sent because you hate them? Not private Especially (but not only) if the sender already dragged in an audience for no apparent reason except so that he has sympathetic listeners for his screed-o-hate. And that's what this was.
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I also think if you flounce, you STAY flounced. But if you later regret it and want to rejoin, you don't pretend you never flounced. You acknowledge it and ask to come back.
I flounced from another community (though I did so with a short message of goodwill to the community and its mods and no screed of hate, behind the scenes or otherwise, even though I WAS very angry and thought I'd been treated badly). I sometimes miss that community, though I do not plan to go back. But were I to go back, even though I did NOT aim a wall of abuse at the owner or mods, my first step would be a message to the owners telling them I regretted flouncing and asking if I could rejoin. My first post would acknowledge my flounce. And FFS, if some other member made a snide "wait, didn't you flounce," I sure as fuck wouldn't deny it and call them a liar.
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Say, if some random person on Twitter sends me a screed of abuse via DM, do you think I have an obligation to keep that private, too? I mean, it was sent privately.
What if it's an unfriendly co-worker sending a screed of abuse via email? What if he copies two of his buddies at the office? I mean, it was sent privately, except for his buddies.
What if someone who hates me leaves me a tirade of abuse on my voicemail? Do I have an obligation to keep that quiet?
ETA: As to it being sent to Rob, yeah, that's why I apologized, and publicly -- to Rob. That said, I knew Rob didn't regard NT's screed as confidential (any more than I would), which is why he shared it with me and Angie (both of us were mentioned and insulted in said screed, btw). Though I didn't ask before firing away at NT (and yes, I think I should have done so -- because of Rob, not NT), I am guessing Rob might just think the fact NT had the effrontery to come back here swinging and calling me a liar when he knew damn well I wasn't lying is some excuse for my spilling the beans. (Also, I think Rob knows that my anger at Nighttimer is partially on his (Rob's) behalf -- I'm sick of him abusing Rob, and this piece of abuse was particularly unjust and obnoxious.) But yeah, to the extent anyone has a right to be angry at me, it's Rob, not NT (or celawson or you). IMO, when you send an unsolicited piece of shit message like NT's, you don't get to claim "but I meant to send that screed-o-hate PRIVATELY, except for MY friends!" You don't get to angrily flounce and then call someone a liar when they point out you flounced. Fuck. That. Noise.
Nighttimer was trying to hide behind a PM to be an even bigger grade-A asshole than usual -- and he still is. He's lucky I restrained myself to displaying only the portion of the message in which he flounced rather than the whole preposterously offensive thing.
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