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robeiae
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To protect and serve... Aug 1, 2019 8:25:59 GMT -5

Post by robeiae on Aug 1, 2019 8:25:59 GMT -5

The death of Tony Timpa: www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/30/gonna-kill-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-final-minutes-tony-timpas-life

Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground.

“You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me!”

After Timpa fell unconscious, the officers who had him in handcuffs assumed he was asleep and didn’t confirm that he was breathing or feel for a pulse.

As precious minutes passed, the officers laughed and joked about waking Timpa up for school and making him waffles for breakfast.

Body camera footage obtained Tuesday by The Dallas Morning News shows first responders waited at least four minutes after Timpa became unresponsive to begin CPR. His nose was buried in the grass while officers claimed to hear him snoring -- apparently unaware that the unarmed man was drawing his last breaths.

The footage is tough to watch.

And I don't think the officers had any intent to harm Timpa here. What I think is that just really didn't care about him, one way or the other.

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To protect and serve... Aug 2, 2019 7:27:23 GMT -5

Post by robeiae on Aug 2, 2019 7:27:23 GMT -5

It's interesting to compare the above vid to this one, I think: www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/07/31/oklahoma-woman-tased-taillight-ticket-orig-mss.cnn

In this video, a woman gets pulled over for a broken taillight, the officer writes her a ticket, she has a fit about it and refuses to sign it, then actually flees in her car from the officer when he tells her to get out because she's being arrested. Eventually, he catches her, tells her to get out of the car again, she refuses, so he pulls her out, at which point she refuse to put her hands behind her back and actually starts kicking him. He tazes her, then handcuffs her. She's 65, btw.

What's interesting: in the end, the officer checks on her after he handcuffs her, rolls her on her side (because that's what you do, you don't leave someone face down in the dirt with your knees on their back), then helps her sit up and continues to make sure she's okay after he has called EMS. He's one guy, dealing with a belligerent ass (woman or not, 65 or not) and he's way more effective than the gang of officers in the first vid.

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To protect and serve... Aug 2, 2019 8:05:16 GMT -5 robeiae likes this

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Aug 2, 2019 7:27:23 GMT -5 robeiae said:

He's one guy, dealing with a belligerent ass (woman or not, 65 or not) and he's way more effective than the gang of officers in the first vid.

Yep.

It's difficult for me to believe the first group of officers weren't trained that you don't leave a suspect with their face in the dirt. I suspect that, as you say, they just don't give a damn. That needs to change, and from the top down, in departments. Sure, you will always get bad eggs in any group, whether it be police officers, politicians, or nursery school teachers, but when you have a group of bad eggs, it indicates something institutional is wrong.

After the Eric Garner horror, I started to pay more attention when I saw confrontations with police in the streets, just in case they go wrong. I once saw a perfectly wonderful policeman talk down an obviously troubled, high homeless guy who'd been flinging trash cans. It was amazing -- he got the guy calmed down and eventually talked him into a police car without any force at all. (He had backup there behind him, so he wasn't alone, but he got it handled without anyone else and without manhandling or threatening the guy. I still think about that one now and then -- how was it that this officer was able to handle a half-crazed homeless guy without violence, and yet poor, harmless Eric Garner required a chokehold? I strongly suspect that the cops in my neighborhood are getting different training and have different types as supervisors than the cops in Staten Island (where the Garner thing took place).

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To protect and serve... Aug 7, 2019 21:08:43 GMT -5

Post by Vince524 on Aug 7, 2019 21:08:43 GMT -5

Horrible story. I'm guessing, and I could be wrong, but lack of intent would make this either negligent homicide or reckless manslaughter? Interesting that someone compared it to Eric Garner. I think that the chokehold was only 1/2 the story there. It was the fact that he was left prone for a long time that really killed him. If that hadn't happened, it's possible he might have survived. We'll probably never know.

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