Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 4:00:00 GMT -5
You were responding to a question I asked him. If you didn’t agree with his “victim” statements, you didn’t make that clear in your response to my question to him. My apologies for not making it clear that I was responding to his statements and assuming that you were adopting his position with your response.
The statement in the article about starting the year in the hole is misleading. NY faced a 10 billion shortfall because of the pandemic. That was the projected shortfall they were looking at from the outset back on April 3. To cut the 10.1 billion, they cut the things they long said they would have to cut if the Federal Government didn’t provide aid - funds to schools, local health care, fire department, etc... you know, the folks helping the most during the pandemic. From the get go, Cuomo was holding off on making those cuts in the hope that federal relief would come.
If you read the report, there was growth occurring prior to the pandemic. And, again, it’s ludicrous for the Federal Government to say, let these states go bankrupt when other states are, essentially, on welfare while NY pays more than it receives. Budget deficits could be made up if NY was receiving a fair share back of what it puts into the federal pot. Hell, NY would be pretty much completely out of debt if it received the same benefit Kentucky receives in one year. So, that’s why Cuomo has threatened to sue. Republicans in Congress, and the current administration were intentionally withholding necessary relief to the States, and Cuomo wants the new administration to provide it. They aren’t asking for the Federal Government to pay their past debts, they want help with the financial crisis created by the pandemic.
Yes, clearly mistakes were made at the beginning of the pandemic... by everyone, but the Trump administration made the biggest ones. Cuomo and De Blaise have zero control over people traveling into the state from Europe & China. New York & New Jersey are major hubs for travel from Europe. It is said that 8 million European travelers came into/through NY in Feb/Mar prior to Trump finally deciding to ban travel from Europe. Given the population density in this region, this was the equivalent of throwing a torch into a barn filled with dry hay.
This is why I said Rob’s argument is fallacious. Could Cuomo & De Blasio have done more? Sure. I was not happy at the time that Cuomo waited to shut down (which would’ve increased the financial problem, not reduced it), and that De Blasio was being so cavalier - though he was asking for a shut down before Cuomo finally did so. But, given the inevitable spread that was going to occur because of Trump’s negligence, it wouldn’t have made much difference. I decided to work from home the minute the first body dropped in NY - two weeks prior to the NY shutdown. At that point Italy had already started its shutdown. Trump still hadn’t barred travel from Europe (and when he did it was only a partial ban from some countries.) Given the lag, the cat was already out of the bag and on the hunt for mice at that point.
The statement in the article about starting the year in the hole is misleading. NY faced a 10 billion shortfall because of the pandemic. That was the projected shortfall they were looking at from the outset back on April 3. To cut the 10.1 billion, they cut the things they long said they would have to cut if the Federal Government didn’t provide aid - funds to schools, local health care, fire department, etc... you know, the folks helping the most during the pandemic. From the get go, Cuomo was holding off on making those cuts in the hope that federal relief would come.
If you read the report, there was growth occurring prior to the pandemic. And, again, it’s ludicrous for the Federal Government to say, let these states go bankrupt when other states are, essentially, on welfare while NY pays more than it receives. Budget deficits could be made up if NY was receiving a fair share back of what it puts into the federal pot. Hell, NY would be pretty much completely out of debt if it received the same benefit Kentucky receives in one year. So, that’s why Cuomo has threatened to sue. Republicans in Congress, and the current administration were intentionally withholding necessary relief to the States, and Cuomo wants the new administration to provide it. They aren’t asking for the Federal Government to pay their past debts, they want help with the financial crisis created by the pandemic.
Yes, clearly mistakes were made at the beginning of the pandemic... by everyone, but the Trump administration made the biggest ones. Cuomo and De Blaise have zero control over people traveling into the state from Europe & China. New York & New Jersey are major hubs for travel from Europe. It is said that 8 million European travelers came into/through NY in Feb/Mar prior to Trump finally deciding to ban travel from Europe. Given the population density in this region, this was the equivalent of throwing a torch into a barn filled with dry hay.
This is why I said Rob’s argument is fallacious. Could Cuomo & De Blasio have done more? Sure. I was not happy at the time that Cuomo waited to shut down (which would’ve increased the financial problem, not reduced it), and that De Blasio was being so cavalier - though he was asking for a shut down before Cuomo finally did so. But, given the inevitable spread that was going to occur because of Trump’s negligence, it wouldn’t have made much difference. I decided to work from home the minute the first body dropped in NY - two weeks prior to the NY shutdown. At that point Italy had already started its shutdown. Trump still hadn’t barred travel from Europe (and when he did it was only a partial ban from some countries.) Given the lag, the cat was already out of the bag and on the hunt for mice at that point.