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Post by robeiae on Feb 9, 2017 9:24:11 GMT -5
For those--like me--who tend to just read CNN, there's a big mess in Brazil right now that you may not have heard about. My son told me about it. Brazil authorities request troops as violence continues amid police strikePolice in the state of Espírito Santo went on strike last weekend. That was followed by a "wave of assaults, looting and murders." There are some 80 reported deaths so far (unconfirmed). Schools and clinics have been closed, many people are essentially in hiding at their homes.
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Post by Don on Feb 9, 2017 9:51:11 GMT -5
I've had an eye on Brazil for a while now, since I heard of Helio Beltrão. Here's an interesting article on what's been going on in Brazil from a libertarian perspective. Why Brazilians Are Demanding “Menos Marx, Mais Mises”
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Post by Amadan on Feb 9, 2017 11:26:20 GMT -5
What, no lecture about how this is the problem with a government monopoly on violence, relying on the police to protect you instead of arming the citizenry, etc.?
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Post by robeiae on Feb 9, 2017 13:49:50 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Feb 10, 2017 5:01:50 GMT -5
What, no lecture about how this is the problem with a government monopoly on violence, relying on the police to protect you instead of arming the citizenry, etc.? A textbook example of the point I just made in the "two versions of truth" thread. Nicely done! The article I posted is indeed about economic issues, not law and order ones. Nor do I personally know any libertarians who argue against some form of personal responsibility or defense of persons or property from destructive members of society. Some libertarians even argue that the collective organization of the natural right of self-defense is the one just purpose of government. In any case, rioting and destruction in the streets is a sure sign of government failure. That said, there are always rabble-rousers, regardless of the level of oppression in a society. But any discussion of how and why a society has evolved away from personal responsibility for one's actions, and whether such trend will continue indefinitely, is likely to go nowhere, though, because it would mean a major shift in the Overton Window, and such shifts are immediately met with derision. (See above) There's generally scant interest in examining root causes too deeply.
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Post by Amadan on Feb 10, 2017 8:11:37 GMT -5
That said, there are always rabble-rousers, regardless of the level of oppression in a society. But any discussion of how and why a society has evolved away from personal responsibility for one's actions, and whether such trend will continue indefinitely, is likely to go nowhere, though, because it would mean a major shift in the Overton Window, and such shifts are immediately met with derision. (See above) There's generally scant interest in examining root causes too deeply. If you actually discussed it, it would be a discussion. Usually you throw a libertarian aphorism and make vague comments about how no one wants to "examine root causes too deeply" because WE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTHS. So yeah, I admit I am prone to making fun. I really don't see how what's going down in Brazil is a consequence of "society evolving away from personal responsibility." That would imply that what's going down in Brazil is some new phenomenon that has not been seen in previous iterations of society, or that Brazil was at some point a more personally responsible society in which things like this wouldn't have happened. Can you actually make that case?
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Post by robeiae on Feb 10, 2017 17:20:38 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Feb 10, 2017 17:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 17:39:47 GMT -5
I'm finding it more than a little bizarre that this story hasn't been floating up in the various news feeds I follow. if I hadn't been following this thread, I might have missed the story altogether. And I'm a geek who checks into them frequently even when I'm busy, if only to skim headlines.
I regret to admit it, Rob, but you may have a good point about news sources pushing Trump news to the exclusion of other news.
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