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Post by robeiae on Mar 6, 2017 9:02:31 GMT -5
Huge scandal in the Marines Corps, as hundreds of nude photos of female personnel--active duty and veterans--were shared via a Facebook group. Original story: www.revealnews.org/blog/hundreds-of-marines-investigated-for-sharing-photos-of-naked-colleagues/More: www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-nude-photo-scandalThe guy who did the investigation and broke the story--Thomas James Brennan--is a veteran wit a Purple Heart. Since it came out, he's gotten death threats, along with "suggestions" about his family. From the first: From the second: Now obviously--I think--everyone will agree this shit is waaaaaay over the line, that the people who engaged in this behavior should be drummed out of the service and subjected to criminal charges, if possible. Of course, that doesn't mean this will happen. A few will take the fall, probably, but most involved won't get much of a punishment, imo. But two things: 1) Is this just the tip of a much larger iceberg? 2) Is having a sexist as commander-in-chief feeding the problem?
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Post by Amadan on Mar 6, 2017 10:09:50 GMT -5
Having been in the military (over 20 yeas ago now, but I doubt it's changed much), I am not surprised. This behavior is, frankly, not something you're really going to get rid of. The best you can do is crack down on the most overt and egregious manifestations, like idiots sharing nude pictures on Facebook.
The military, unfortunately, is a hotbed of YA hijinks as you have hundreds of thousands of kids released from parental and school supervision for the first time, earning a paycheck and feeling "independent" (even in the military) and then thrown together with members of the opposite sex. Stupid and sometimes tragic shit is gonna happen. Especially in the modern age of social media.
I really doubt Trump has anything to do with this, though under Trump I doubt we'll be seeing stronger efforts to curb this kind of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 11:07:28 GMT -5
1) absolutely, I would bet it's the tip of a much larger iceberg.
2) Can we blame Trump directly for this? No; s Amadan notes, unfortunately, this shit has been going on at some level forever.
But I do think the sexist-in-chief has an effect, and no trivial one. When the guy in charge has bragged about grabbing women's genitals and so forth, it sends a clear message that such behavior is acceptable. And that emboldens those who might otherwise keep their ugliness in a dark closet.
I laughed when Trump's pussy-grabber video came out, not because I thought the behavior was funny, but because I felt so certain it would bring him down -- and with the added bonus of sending a message to all the other potential pussy-grabbers out there that this shit was not OK. Only, he fucking won. The message is exactly the opposite. And that's not funny at all.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 6, 2017 12:59:52 GMT -5
Having been in the military (over 20 yeas ago now, but I doubt it's changed much), I am not surprised. This behavior is, frankly, not something you're really going to get rid of. The best you can do is crack down on the most overt and egregious manifestations, like idiots sharing nude pictures on Facebook. The military, unfortunately, is a hotbed of YA hijinks as you have hundreds of thousands of kids released from parental and school supervision for the first time, earning a paycheck and feeling "independent" (even in the military) and then thrown together with members of the opposite sex. Stupid and sometimes tragic shit is gonna happen. Especially in the modern age of social media. I really doubt Trump has anything to do with this, though under Trump I doubt we'll be seeing stronger efforts to curb this kind of thing. In terms of Trump, most of this probably happened before he was in office. While I doubt he's going to lead by example on changing this, (Heck, he'd probably like the page himself) I don't think you can blame it on him.
And yes, this reminds me of what happens in colleges too, kids away from home, not being monitored by parents. Same goes for kids who get cell phones and have parents that don't check them.
Plus it's part of the online porn culture. Because a woman who takes a nude picture of herself with a boyfriend must be okay with it being shared on the internet, right?
Some of the pictures were clothed I presume, taken by someone stalking them in public, but the nudes? I wonder if they were shared by the victims SO's or if there was hacking involved. If so, that would be a crime in and of itself, right?
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Post by Amadan on Mar 6, 2017 13:14:26 GMT -5
I'm afraid a lot of those nudes were probably sent voluntarily, because somehow even though the Internet is no longer some new-fangled thing, every generation has to learn that whatever you put out there is going to stay out there, and it's going to get distributed.
If you send titty or dick pics to your SO and think no one else is ever going to see them, you're an idiot. If you send them to some stranger to prove how "hot" you are, you are a bigger idiot.
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Post by robeiae on Mar 6, 2017 14:02:24 GMT -5
Unless, of course, you're a married US Congressman. Then it's somehow the fault of al Qaeda.
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Post by Vince524 on Mar 7, 2017 13:17:34 GMT -5
So I know someone, another author not as far as I know part of this group. We were published together for a spell. Never met her in person, but I'm Facebook friends with both her and her husband. Both marines, both people who have come to earn my respect and admiration for their thoughtfulness, generosity, and just because of the kind of people they are. They're both sci fan fans, and I've seen them post pictures of themselves in various costumes together. All cute and adorable, and the pair of them are just the best kind of people you could even get to know. I've also seen many pictures of them in uniform. They take a lot of pride in their service to this country, in their marine corps, and in all they do. She's a fighter pilot, and I've seen pictures in the cockpit.
So it really hit me when I saw her post on this subject, not just as a bystander, but as a victim. The picture in question was one of her with other marine women simply having lunch. Nothing sexual at all. She posted it on her personal facebook page, thinking nothing of it at the time. It was copied for others to talk shit about their 'fuckability' and all. Degrading her as if she were an object, and not a human being, someone who has worked side by side with other marines, putting her life on the line for her country.
Many joined in. Some marines who knew her came to her defense, and while grateful, she asked why they were in that group to begin with. Were they okay with talking like that about other women they didn't know?
It hit her hard since she also felt responsible for the fact that the picture she posted was of her and other female marines, all of whom were being abused online in the same way.
She did report it to her commanding officers, and she noted that from them and her own husband (Who I would expect nothing less from) where completely supportive throughout the entire process. Never once victim blamed her, asked what she was thinking to put a picture of herself online, or trying to dismiss this as harmless fun that had gotten out of hand. It was wrong, and it would be dealt with.
She posted about this on Facebook to stand for herself and all those victimized. As a father, she is the woman I would have as a role model for my daughters. As a friend, I wish I could find the words to give her the comfort and support she deserves.
As a human being, I'm simply disgusted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 13:35:12 GMT -5
Jesus, Vince. That's awful.
Why can't people who do this sort of shit stop, just for once, to consider that there are thinking , feeling human beings on the other end of it?
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