Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:54:00 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 20:35:42 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by celawson on May 22, 2017 21:22:37 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by robeiae on May 23, 2017 8:04:57 GMT -5
Horrible.
As some of you may know, my daughter is in school in Scotland. She wasn't at this show, but a friend from her school did go and is okay. Honestly, I'm getting nervous for her, because she had a friend who was present at the Berlin market bombing, as well (who was also okay).
Regardless, bombing an Ariana Grande concert is really, really low. I mean, ever suicide bombing of this sort is low, but man.
ISIS is claiming responsibility, though I guess that's unconfirmed. Latest reports say one of those killed was just eight years old.
|
|
|
Post by robeiae on May 23, 2017 8:25:52 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by celawson on May 23, 2017 8:26:20 GMT -5
I can't even imagine specifically targeting a venue of mostly pre-teen and teen age girls.
I feel for you, Rob. My daughter wants to study abroad in another year, and I've honestly already thought I wouldn't let her go to London or Paris. Fortunately she's considering Italy and Spain as top choices but one of the pros of studying abroad in Europe is the ability to hop in a train and visit other countries.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 8:47:14 GMT -5
These attacks can happen here, too. Trump can block out all the migrants he likes -- terrorists can be homegrown here in the USA, as we've seen.
I don't feel less safe traveling abroad than here -- actually, I feel rather safer overall in most of Europe than I do in NYC. Italy and Spain are not safer than London or Paris.
(The "I won't let you go" thing didn't work on me after high school. My parents didn't want me to go abroad in college, or do any number of things. For me, it just meant I needed to find a way to finance myself. But if anything, it made me more determined to go. Your kid's mileage may vary.)
ETA:
On the more comforting side, it is still the case that all of us are still quite unlikely to die in a terrorist attack. I live on the theory that one shouldn't avoid great life experiences on the basis of events that really quite unlikely.
I won't be going to Syria any time soon, but I feel no more trepidation about traveling Europe than about traveling here.
|
|
|
Post by celawson on May 23, 2017 10:44:58 GMT -5
I guess since London and Paris have had numerous terrorist attacks, and I have not heard of any in Italy or Spain except for the church attack in Italy which killed the priest, it seems Italy and Spain are safer. Why that is, I have no idea. Maybe the anti-terror systems in those countries are more effective? Luck?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 10:55:49 GMT -5
Every place seems safer until something happens there that you hear about. E.g , Orlando.
Spain has seen terrorist attacks, though I'm not sure any were Islamic -- yet. Italy has seen violence (and of course, earthquakes recently).
plenty of ways to die besides at the hands of ISIS -- which really still remains quite unlikely.
That doesn't make the terrorist attacks that do happen less heinous. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about them. But I do think keeping the level of fear proportionate to the risk is important. Terrorists WANT us to feel terrified out of all proportion to the actual risk -- that's their goal. I won't give them that win.
|
|
|
Post by celawson on May 23, 2017 11:04:23 GMT -5
Wow. One of the beautiful aspects of Twitter is that idiots can self-destruct in mere seconds. Best response:
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:17:35 GMT -5
I am among those who lambasted this idiot on Twitter. He did several jokes, each unfunnier than the last.
|
|
|
Post by celawson on May 23, 2017 11:19:49 GMT -5
What'd you tell him?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:24:51 GMT -5
What'd you tell him? several things! I was really pissed! first, "WTF is wrong with you?" then, when he did a quasi not really "apology", I said "You knew there were fatalities and you were still joking. They weren't even darkly clever jokes. They were just assholish." and I retweeted his "multiple confirmed fatalities" tweet with this comment: "I nominate this guy for asshole of the year. This piece of fuckwittery got 3.3k likes. WTF is wrong with people?" I mean, they were counting bodies of teenage girls, wounded are still lying on the ground...and he's tweeting that kind of crap? eta: Seriously, we all know I like dark humor. But time, place, manner, the joke and context all matter hugely -- timing alone made this one horrible. As he tweeted, people were retweeting frantic messages from friends and family of missing concert-goers. No. No. No.
|
|
|
Post by celawson on May 23, 2017 11:28:59 GMT -5
Good for you! It blows me away that this isn't just some random idiot but a journalist.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 11:33:10 GMT -5
All I could imagine were some of those frantically tweeting friends and family of potential victims desperately waiting for news -- instead finding those posts.
I mean, WTF.
I daresay he has killed his career.
|
|