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Post by robeiae on Aug 4, 2017 10:24:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 10:52:32 GMT -5
Steve Miller is a lizard person (stole that from haggis ). If this were Hogwarts, he'd be a Slytherin prefect. Acosta did a bit of grandstanding, but Miller was a cartoon villain twirling his mustache.
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Post by mikey on Aug 4, 2017 11:13:14 GMT -5
Acosta was being a dick. This was a press briefing, not a debate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 12:00:35 GMT -5
Acosta was being a dick. This was a press briefing, not a debate. Should reporters just take nice quiet notes during a press briefing and only ask nice questions rather than challenging ones? I don't dispute Acosta was a bit over the top. But the policy Miller was announcing flies in the face of most of our history (a few dark periods excepted). Btw, most economists think limiting legal immigration in this way will be a disaster for businesses, and that immigration spurs growth and is good for the economy, including immigrants who don't have special higher level skills. www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/us/politics/legal-immigration-jobs-economy.htmlwww.marketplace.org/2017/08/03/economy/economists-think-immigration-boosts-growth-so-why-does-trump-want-cut-itmoney.cnn.com/2017/04/12/news/economy/economists-immigrants-economy-trump/index.html www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/02/its-a-grave-mistake-for-trump-to-cut-legal-immigration-in-half/?utm_term=.6300dbd3ebd0 www.bradford-delong.com/2017/08/open-letter-from-1470-economists-including-me-on-immigration.html Also, btw, I have faith it will never get past Congress. It was rotting red meat for Trump's alt-right base. -- CassandraW, granddaughter of four immigrants who came here with little money or English, took jobs most Americans wouldn't touch, contributed to the economy, sent their kids to college, and whose granddaughter made it to Yale Law School. That, my friends, is what America is supposed to be about, and we forget it at our peril. Acosta was a bit dramatic. But Miller was despicable and dishonest, and his comments on the message of the Statue of Liberty illustrated it. ETA: I didn't check "both acted like schmucks" even though Acosta was a bit schmucky, mostly because his schmuckiness was a speck of dust compared to the massive beam that was Miller's schmuckiness.
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Post by mikey on Aug 4, 2017 13:22:05 GMT -5
I don't object to questions and or follow up questions. I object to a reporter disrupting a press briefing with an debate attempt.
Mikey, whose ancestors ran for their lives from Baden Germany to the US by way of Switzerland after a failed revolution attempt. Got a hat named after my ancestor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:33:42 GMT -5
I think what he did, though perhaps a bit overly dramatically, was highlight the essential un-American-ness of the proposed policy. Past presidents, Democrat and Republican alike, proudly quoted Lazarus's poem. This words, "bring me your tired, your poor...". www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/bushtext071001.htm - www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=37550- they might fight illegal immigration, but they championed these words as the essence of what America is about. For Miller to diss them, and then double down on it, really highlights how far this administration is departing from previous ones, and how ugly its motivations are. Acosta pushing him on it is what caused him to do that. Just asking questions would simply allowed Miller to give lip service to his "'Merica can't spare the jobs and they'd be a burden" bullshit. I think the media needs to push back at this administration. Otherwise, they are helping to normalize what is not (or shouldn't be) normal. So, yeah, Acosta was maybe a bit much, but in comparison to Miller...
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Post by michaelw on Aug 4, 2017 13:34:41 GMT -5
Got a hat named after my ancestor. Pickelhaube?
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Post by mikey on Aug 4, 2017 13:46:56 GMT -5
Got a hat named after my ancestor. Pickelhaube? No, our hat was 1848, with the feather
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Post by Christine on Aug 4, 2017 15:42:20 GMT -5
I had to listen to it twice. (Does it drive anyone else crazy when people talk over each other? I can't stand that. They both did it, but Miller seemed to do it a lot more.)
I think Miller was a snotty little jerk almost from the get go. (Lizard person works.) Nothing he said in response to Acosta's questions was substantive or even rational, and he fairly quickly resorted to insults and "attacking the person rather than the argument," and we all know that's bad. Bad Miller!
I though Acosta did much better both in tone and content, keeping his arguments focused on valid concerns (imo) re: the immigration bill, until the last 30 seconds, when he said something like "you called me ignorant on national television," which just irritated me. I really wish he would have resisted that petulant bit. Other than that, I thought his questions and his push back on the lame answers were perfectly appropriate. I love debate. Bring on the the debate. Just... take turns, please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 16:22:17 GMT -5
I agree -- Acosta's petulance at the end was annoying.
But he's being weighed against lizard dude.
Steve is tied with Bannon as my least favorite Trump administration person so far. At least the Mooch was good for a few laughs.
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OK, Kellyanne Conway is tied with them.
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Post by haggis on Aug 4, 2017 23:11:48 GMT -5
Frankly, I think Acosta outdid Miller on this one, though Miller is still a lizard person and a bucket of sleaze. But if I were asked to shoot the one who was the most reprehensible, I'd have them line up one in front of the other.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 23:17:37 GMT -5
Frankly, I think Acosta outdid Miller on this one, though Miller is still a lizard person and a bucket of sleaze. But if I were asked to shoot the one who was the most reprehensible, I'd have them line up one in front of the other. Pfft. You just enjoy shooting people.
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Post by haggis on Aug 4, 2017 23:22:50 GMT -5
Frankly, I think Acosta outdid Miller on this one, though Miller is still a lizard person and a bucket of sleaze. But if I were asked to shoot the one who was the most reprehensible, I'd have them line up one in front of the other. Pfft. You just enjoy shooting people. With one bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 23:27:17 GMT -5
Pfft. You just enjoy shooting people. With one bullet. Waste not, want not.
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Post by haggis on Aug 4, 2017 23:29:13 GMT -5
I'm thinking .50 caliber. A .22 wouldn't do it.
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