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Post by robeiae on Sept 1, 2017 9:28:00 GMT -5
Chloe Bennet--aka Skye on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.-- speaks about her name change on the heels of her support for Ed Skrein's exit from a Hellboy movie for "whitewashing": Apparently, she was born "Chloe Wang," but changed it to "Chloe Bennet" some years ago, then got booked on the next audition she went to: Now, obviously that's a logic fail as presented, because many people don't get booked after auditions, regardless of their names, for many other reasons: not having a good audition, not being right for the part, and so on. But of course, we weren't at all of those auditions and don't know exactly what Chloe Bennet experienced, so her take could very well be 100% accurate. Yet, one of her co-stars in the show is Ming-Na Wen, who has had a fairly long career without having to change her name to something more...anglicized? That career includes roles on a soap opera, in major movies, and on prime time TV. No doubt, some of these roles specifically required an Asian actor, but some didn't. And one might argue that she would have had even more work if her name was different, I guess (but such an argument would be hard to make for Lucy Liu, I think). So, here's a question: allowing that Chloe Bennet's original name was holding her back, was it because of racism per se, or was it possibly because of something else?
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Post by nighttimer on Sept 1, 2017 12:33:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 13:35:42 GMT -5
The Hawaii Five-O thing is especially egregious. The producers deserve every bit of shitty blowback they get for that, and then some. Then there's that Scarlett Johannson movie where the character was supposed to be Asian and they picked Scarlett for the role instead. Yeah. No. Not cool. (I know they wanted a name, but if you're a fan of a movie/game/whatever a movie is based on, you're going to want the actor to match the character you know. Much better to get a charismatic newcomer for the role than a totally inappropriate star, IMO. Put a name actor in another role, if you must.) Yeah, it's work to come up with five prominent Asian actors. Sandra Oh springs to mind -- absolutely loved her in Sideways, which is one of my all-time favorite movies -- and John Cho from the Star Trek reboot. But then I start to get stuck. As far as whether the name thing made a difference for Chloe Bennet...I dunno. Impossible for sure to say whether she got or didn't get roles based on her name; certainly other factors could come into play, especially for an actor. Maybe she just finally hit the right role. But I do know, from personal experience, that waaaay too many people make weird ass assumptions about you based on an ethnic name, and that absolutely this makes a difference when job hunting. As many of you know, I have an obviously Hispanic last name. I cannot tell you how many times people have been surprised, meeting me for the first time after having only seen my name, to find that I don't speak with an accent, that English is my first language, and that I'm articulate. Oh, and that I don't speak fluent Spanish. It's whacked -- this does not happen if you have an Italian, French, or German name. Generally speaking, people do not make the same assumptions for a Maria Gonzalez as they do for a Gina Moretti, Adele Girard, or Anna Weber. Many tend to assume that Maria is first or second generation and either not particularly educated, or if she is, she is the recipient of special "help" -- but do not assume that for Gina, Adele, or Anna. It's annoying and terribly common.
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Post by robeiae on Sept 2, 2017 9:57:59 GMT -5
As far as whether the name thing made a difference for Chloe Bennet...I dunno. Impossible for sure to say whether she got or didn't get roles based on her name; certainly other factors could come into play, especially for an actor. Maybe she just finally hit the right role. But I do know, from personal experience, that waaaay too many people make weird ass assumptions about you based on an ethnic name, and that absolutely this makes a difference when job hunting. As many of you know, I have an obviously Hispanic last name. I cannot tell you how many times people have been surprised, meeting me for the first time after having only seen my name, to find that I don't speak with an accent, that English is my first language, and that I'm articulate. Oh, and that I don't speak fluent Spanish. It's whacked -- this does not happen if you have an Italian, French, or German name. Generally speaking, people do not make the same assumptions for a Maria Gonzalez as they do for a Gina Moretti, Adele Girard, or Anna Weber. Many tend to assume that Maria is first or second generation and either not particularly educated, or if she is, she is the recipient of special "help" -- but do not assume that for Gina, Adele, or Anna. It's annoying and terribly common. For sure, people make all kinds of assumptions, based on names, and not only ethnic ones. I find this particular angle interesting with regard to Ms. Bennet because what we're talking about are acting jobs, where I assume appearance tends to be the first consideration (often trumping acting ability, I think). And I don't think she looks all that Asian (kinda like Donna Chang). There's also an issue of names that has no ethnic component, I think. For instance, there's ol' John Mellencamp, née "Cougar." And there are countless Hollywood types who changed their names for similar reasons, I think, to make them "good acting names." So I'm wondering about "Wang" in that light as well.
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Post by nighttimer on Sept 5, 2017 11:13:16 GMT -5
As far as whether the name thing made a difference for Chloe Bennet...I dunno. Impossible for sure to say whether she got or didn't get roles based on her name; certainly other factors could come into play, especially for an actor. Maybe she just finally hit the right role. But I do know, from personal experience, that waaaay too many people make weird ass assumptions about you based on an ethnic name, and that absolutely this makes a difference when job hunting. As many of you know, I have an obviously Hispanic last name. I cannot tell you how many times people have been surprised, meeting me for the first time after having only seen my name, to find that I don't speak with an accent, that English is my first language, and that I'm articulate. Oh, and that I don't speak fluent Spanish. It's whacked -- this does not happen if you have an Italian, French, or German name. Generally speaking, people do not make the same assumptions for a Maria Gonzalez as they do for a Gina Moretti, Adele Girard, or Anna Weber. Many tend to assume that Maria is first or second generation and either not particularly educated, or if she is, she is the recipient of special "help" -- but do not assume that for Gina, Adele, or Anna. It's annoying and terribly common. For sure, people make all kinds of assumptions, based on names, and not only ethnic ones. I find this particular angle interesting with regard to Ms. Bennet because what we're talking about are acting jobs, where I assume appearance tends to be the first consideration (often trumping acting ability, I think). And I don't think she looks all that Asian (kinda like Donna Chang). Tread lightly, sir. You don't want to step into that particular rabbit hole. Making assumptions about who "looks all that Asian" can pull up some names you might not think of. Yes, appearance matters in Hollywood as it does nearly everywhere else. But so does ethnicity. We can only speculate about it. Chloe Bennet is living it.
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Post by robeiae on Sept 5, 2017 11:33:04 GMT -5
Oh, agree with that her perspective is necessarily better informed than mine, with respect to what she is experiencing and has experienced.
Nonetheless, I still think the issue of names and the assumptions people make in that regard can and does go beyond ethnicity. And true enough, most of what can be said in that regard IS speculation.
You think I'm saying "aha, it's not racism at all!," but that's not my intention. I'm interested in what other things could be at play here, maybe in addition to racism, and maybe not (and maybe I could have worded my initial question better, to be fair). Imo, making assumptions about people because of their name alone is always wrong, regardless of whether or not such assumptions are about ethnicity, per se.
And I think it's somewhat odd--weird, even--to think that names could still be having such an impact on mindsets, given the great diversity of names out there today, coupled with what seems to me to be a sort of wave of people seeking "original" names, these days.
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