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Post by robeiae on Sept 27, 2017 9:06:44 GMT -5
... in the Alabama Senate primary runoff. Trump, of course, once supported Strange but flipped to Moore when he saw which way the wind was blowing. I thought this was a salient observation: Jumping back to 2010, many people in power thought they had a handle on the tea party movement, thought they could jump on board with no problem. And many discovered that they really didn't have a clue in this regard. And in a way, the same thing happened with the Dems (and my be continuing to happen) with the Bernie Bro crowd, the more extreme progressives in the party. The question is, what does this mean for the 2018 midterms? One thing to remember: Strange is not a long-term Senator. He's there because of an appointment. So the idea that Moore's victory is good news for Dems for the 2018 elections isn't a given at all. Still, it has a Sharron Angle kind of feel to me. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 9:20:56 GMT -5
If you ask me, this country is getting moore and moore strange by the minute.
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Post by robeiae on Sept 27, 2017 9:47:22 GMT -5
I think these results point to a continued reality within the Republican Party: it's not one party anymore. It's at least two parties, thought the lines tend to ebb and flow. And really, the Democratic Party is no different: it's at least two parties, as well, with the hardcore progressives constantly butting heads with the current standard-bearers. I suppose things will stay this way until the next Presidential election. Should make 2018 even more interesting. Look at this piece: www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/cnn-poll-incumbents/index.htmlFrom it: I think that--contra 2010--there isn't a wave out there, at all. Cillizza and others are misreading things; there are multiple waves. And because of that, it's impossible to predict the results, as the waves can sometimes be in sync and other times be in opposition. |
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Post by nighttimer on Sept 27, 2017 13:22:16 GMT -5
The question is, what does this mean for the 2018 midterms? One thing to remember: Strange is not a long-term Senator. He's there because of an appointment. So the idea that Moore's victory is good news for Dems for the 2018 elections isn't a given at all. Still, it has a Sharron Angle kind of feel to me. I guess we'll see. A Democrat isn't going to win Alabama and if the party throws money into this reddest of red states, it's a complete waste. Especially since Alabama, like many other Southern and/or Republican led states is working hard to disenfranchise its Black citizens. Alabama voters seem to love Roy Moore, a Southern-fried ayatollah who espouses a virulent anti-gay philosophy while thumping the Bible and Mitch McConnell would be tickled pink when Moore pulls out his gun on the floor of the Senate to demonstrate how much he loves his Second Amendment rights. Roy Moore embodies the extremism of the Right and he will be a bug up McConnell's ass. For Dems, all this means is swapping out one nut (Jeff Sessions) with another. For the Repubs it means other Roy Moores will be on the march in Tennessee, Arizona, Nevada and anywhere else a Repub incumbent is seen as a soft-assed squish too wedded to Washington, big money and McConnell to truly push the troglodyte philosophy of Breitbart News, Steve Bannon and the Robert Mercer family. Destroy the Senate to save it. 
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Post by robeiae on Oct 3, 2017 8:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by mikey on Oct 3, 2017 10:23:41 GMT -5
Ack! I really dislike Bill Kristol. But, that was an enjoyable article.
Absolutely agree we are not in Kansas anymore, but I'm not sure a third party will work out due to the escalating viciousness coming from the current two parties. In my mind we'll need 4 parties to succeed in creating a middle ground.
Nether Dems. or Repubs will willingly give up their power ether individually or collectively, which to me means battles on two fronts for any hope of success.
Four parties would also distribute the financing from lobbyist and campaign donations in a way to help break-up the monopolies of corporate donors.
Oh and I really like Tony Blair's quote "the middle are homeless"
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