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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 13:12:08 GMT -5
I don't think we've done this since the 100 day mark.
So far, what grade would you give Trump as president? I've allowed people to select up to two answers because whatever grade you select, I'm curious whether he is performing better, worse, or about the same as you expected.
As always, feel free to elaborate in the comments.
I, of course, am giving him an "F" and he's doing worse than I expected. Not that I expected him to please me, but I honestly didn't expect him to upset and appall me to the degree he does.
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Post by Vince524 on Sept 30, 2017 13:23:28 GMT -5
We're not at war with anyone. Yet. He certainly wouldn't get a remark like, plays well with others. And probably anything decent that happens is probably more to do with people that he put into positions. I put D, but probably D-
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Post by nighttimer on Sept 30, 2017 17:30:48 GMT -5
Fail. Total epic fail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 17:43:13 GMT -5
Here, I am with you completely. Even by his own terms (as expressed during the campaign and by his previous chastisements of past presidents), I think he's a fail. By the terms of what the GOP establishment was hoping for, he's a fail. And of course, by my terms, he's just a colossal, sickening, cringe-inducing horror show of a fail. Mikey's "A" notwithstanding, I struggle to see how he could be deemed a success by Trump's supporters. He will never get that wall built, much less Mexico to pay for it. His attempts to repeal and replace the ACA failed. His tax plan is being roundly criticized as one that will benefit millionaires at their expense. He spends way more time golfing than any previous president, and the taxpayers are paying many times more for it. An astonishing number of people in his administration have been forced out the door, and a shit ton of positions remain unfilled. And, god, that Twitter account. There's so much more from my perspective, but I'm talking from theirs. The only thing I can see them being pleased about is Gorsuch. And I guess, from their perspective, seeing how much they hate her, that Hillary didn't win. But Jeebus, everything they criticized her for, he's magnitudes worse. I admit it, I don't get it. I really don't.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 30, 2017 18:11:54 GMT -5
Well, many of those things you listed are policy-related (the wall, the ACA repeal, taxes).
Would it be fair to say that many (though admittedly not all) Trump supporters are simply not overly policy-focused?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 19:02:54 GMT -5
Well, many of those things you listed are policy-related (the wall, the ACA repeal, taxes). Would it be fair to say that many (though admittedly not all) Trump supporters are simply not overly policy-focused? You...you mean to say that really, deep down, all they actually care about is whether liberals' heads explode?
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Post by mikey on Sept 30, 2017 19:05:39 GMT -5
Given the continued onslaught of vicious rhetoric from Hillary voters, spook agencies, anti white protesters, and whatever else anti President Trump protesters, the fact that he is still alive (not been assassinated yet) let alone still being in office, is amazing.
That in its self gets an A in my book. And what Vince said, although I think I would add the little piece of defunding the CIA activities in Syria was a huge feather in is cap.
Mikey also checked the box that said "Trump is performing at approximately the level I expected". Just to be clear
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 19:13:20 GMT -5
I assume that given the vicious rhetoric both Hillary and President Obama endured from the alt-right, Russian bots, white supremacists, Trump voters, certain conservative politicians, Trump himself, etc., the fact that they are still alive (not been assassinated yet) also amazes you and earns them an A. I mean, Obama was hung in effigy and falsely accused (by Trump himself as many others -- many who still do) of being a secret Muslim who wasn't born in the U.S., among other things. And I seem to remember hordes of Trump voters screaming "LOCK HER UP!" about Hillary for stuff Trump and his family are at least equally guilty of (though Trump voters don't seem to care). I can't even tell you the number of totally insane and completely false rumors I saw in the right-wing press about Hillary during the election, or Obama during his tenure. So you also give them an A, just for that. Right?
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Post by Vince524 on Sept 30, 2017 19:15:03 GMT -5
Given the continued onslaught of vicious rhetoric from Hillary voters, spook agencies, anti white protesters, and whatever else anti President Trump protesters, the fact that he is still alive (not been assassinated yet) let alone still being in office, is amazing. That in its self gets an A in my book. And what Vince said, although I think I would add the little piece of defunding the CIA activities in Syria was a huge feather in is cap. Mikey also checked the box that said "Trump is performing at approximately the level I expected". Just to be clear Not being killed yet is not something I would award him any points for, let alone an A.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 30, 2017 19:23:32 GMT -5
Well, many of those things you listed are policy-related (the wall, the ACA repeal, taxes). Would it be fair to say that many (though admittedly not all) Trump supporters are simply not overly policy-focused? You...you mean to say that really, deep down, all they actually care about is whether liberals' heads explode? Not quite. Only that there are other considerations at play, besides policy. I think a lot of Trump supporters are highly receptive to a lot of the things he's saying (on topics like the media, political correctness, Islamic extremism, and so on). So while I'm sure many would love to see the wall get built, there's not much disappointment over it yet because Trump is still talking a good game on so many fronts. And with things like the ACA repeal, it's easy to give him a pass because one can easily blame Congress and leave Trump out of it, by and large.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 30, 2017 19:24:08 GMT -5
Not being killed yet is not something I would award him any points for, let alone an A. That's also what most historians say when evaluating Abraham Lincoln, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 19:33:19 GMT -5
You...you mean to say that really, deep down, all they actually care about is whether liberals' heads explode? Not quite. Only that there are other considerations at play, besides policy. I think a lot of Trump supporters are highly receptive to a lot of the things he's saying (on topics like the media, political correctness, Islamic extremism, and so on). So while I'm sure many would love to see the wall get built, there's not much disappointment over it yet because Trump is still talking a good game on so many fronts. And with things like the ACA repeal, it's easy to give him a pass because one can easily blame Congress and leave Trump out of it, by and large. Oh, I get it. And like, with the wall, it isn't that Trump made a ludicrous, unrealistic promise that he couldn't possibly keep, but rather that the damn Mexicans are refusing to cooperate the way they should.
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Post by mikey on Sept 30, 2017 19:43:45 GMT -5
I don't believe the “deplorables” did nearly as a thorough job of undercutting the presidency as the current crop of “anti's” are doing. Again, that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 20:02:01 GMT -5
I don't believe the “deplorables” did nearly as a thorough job of undercutting the presidency as the current crop of “anti's” are doing. Again, that's just me. Then you have a VERY short memory for what the Tea Party movement attempted and accomplished, or for what happened once Obama had a GOP congress that pretty much blocked him at every turn. And don't get me started on what happened with Garland.
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Post by michaelw on Sept 30, 2017 20:05:04 GMT -5
I don't believe the “deplorables” did nearly as a thorough job of undercutting the presidency as the current crop of “anti's” are doing. Again, that's just me. Then you have a VERY short memory for what the Tea Party movement attempted and accomplished, or for what happened once Obama had a GOP congress that pretty much blocked him at every turn. And don't get me started on what happened with Garland. Did something happen with Garland? * *hides under a desk
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