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Post by Amadan on Oct 28, 2017 7:52:17 GMT -5
You two should kiss and make up. Or step into the boxing ring.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 9:35:41 GMT -5
Rob? Kiss Amadan, won't you? I'll referee.
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Post by mikey on Oct 28, 2017 10:04:27 GMT -5
Where do we place our bets on who pulls away first?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 10:14:05 GMT -5
Oh, Amadan, every time. Rob's a stubborn S.O.B.
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Post by Christine on Oct 28, 2017 13:34:20 GMT -5
So this was just you being playful? Charming. I was being critical (why is this even a topic), but I included myself in the criticism (here I am, making a comment). I was attempting to be a smart ass. You two should kiss and make up. Or step into the boxing ring. Like this guy, but he did it better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 13:42:49 GMT -5
Quite a bit better.
Also, Amadan did not jump in to say "why is this thread here, who the fuck cares." He made a couple of jokes spinning off the thread topic.
He and NT both issued some criticism on including a link without indicating what was in it, which is indeed a point, given how many view the site from work.
Interesting that you think it's perfectly right of you to jump in and diss a thread topic and people wasting their time in it, but not perfectly fine for someone to call you on how obnoxious it is.
Note that I'm doing so as a member, not as a mod (notwithstanding your thoroughly obnoxious use of "hysterics"). I am fairly certain you would have received a mod slap for the first comment and perhaps a timeout for the hysterical comment on some other sites. We don't roll that way here, but I'm certainly entitled to point out that it's rude and adds nothing whatsoever to the discussion (if your comment did add something to a discussion, I'd more than likely shrug at the rudeness).
Do you often crash into conversations at parties and say "this is a fucking stupid conversation and you all must have time to waste to be having it, and I'm bored so I'm going to tell you how stupid you are"? Does it win you friends?
Quite possibly I would have dropped it, had you not escalated with yet another diss directly at me accusing me of "hysterics."
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Post by Christine on Oct 28, 2017 14:07:42 GMT -5
My intention was not to hurt you, and I apologize for doing that.
I felt that you jumped down my throat last night, which is why I responded as I did.
Point of note, I did not call anyone stupid. I do not think anyone is stupid here.
At any rate, I think you've sufficiently returned the criticism and the digs, so maybe we can call it even and let it go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 14:08:46 GMT -5
I'm happy to drop it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 15:03:45 GMT -5
Silly as it is, I enjoy threads of this ilk -- i.e., dissecting an out-of-context action or body language to figure out what's really going on there. We've done it several times with regard to Melania, a few times with John Kelly, once or twice with Michelle Obama and Chris Christie, and I'm sure with others.
I mean, yeah, we're speculating. But I genuinely find it fun. I do the same internally with strangers all the time on the subway and streets or in restaurants. You don't know them or what their deal is, but you catch this one fleeting WTF moment and wonder "WTF".
Or at least I do. Perhaps it is the writer in me. I notice things and can't help but spin a story (or several) that might explain it.
Here, I'm torn between "they're friends goofing" and "damn, that was one aggressive kiss," spinning alternate stories around both. I agree with Vince that the laugh could have been discomfort.
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Post by Christine on Oct 28, 2017 17:43:14 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to share my own thought process regarding this thread, and what led me to the conclusion of "who gives a fuck."
One, this was publicity photo/video for an upcoming boxing match. Ergo, the two contenders stand face to face -- incredibly, uncomfortably closely, face to face, imo, because even without the kiss I'd have been like NO -- because this is A Thing. A really fucking stupid thing, imo, but whatever. Fine.
So the kiss happens. As rob points out, the reaction would have been entirely different had it been two male contenders standing face to face. But in this case, it's, yanno, "up in the air," because they're women, who box. "They're probably gay." Or some shit.
And then the slap happens. Evidence, I think, that it was likely not expected, or rehearsed. Then, the laughter. Now, it's possible that I am wrong, but that laughter sounded truly genuine to me. It went on for a long time, and she seemed, truly, to have been amused. Yes, she was surprised, and reacted on a gut level (she is a boxer, after all) but ultimately found it pretty funny.
Okay, so, assuming I give a flying fuck about media takes for boxing fights, everything is fine here. No harm, no foul. I suppose it could even be cute, or clever, or whatever, if you're into this sort of thing. (P.S. Explain.)
But to put up this post and suggest sexual assault as an option is annoying to me. There's an undertone here, I think: look at this woman who kissed this other woman without her permission... SEXUAL ASSAULT?
Now, rob might've been being a bit tongue-in-cheek when he listed it as an option, but then a couple of people started to actually discuss this pre-boxing match media clip, which was clearly not sexual assault--in addition to the above, no one is being sued, no one, apparently, feels their sexual assault has been humiliatingly posted for all to see on the interwebz, no one is claiming sexual assault, at all--as potentially being sexual assault. Like, literally trying to come up with ways that this may have been sexual assault.
And the thing is, this whole exercise, to me, minimizes sexual assault. It puts a media push for a boxing match and some "tomfoolery" on par with real issues of sexual assault.
So my way of saying all of this was how I initially said it: this is dumb; who gives a fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 17:48:50 GMT -5
If this had been a man kissing a woman that way without permission, would you view it as assault?
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Post by Christine on Oct 28, 2017 17:51:06 GMT -5
I would view it however the woman being kissed viewed it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 17:54:37 GMT -5
I would view it however the woman being kissed viewed it. Here, we don't know how she viewed it. We're speculating, based on the demeanor of each, and what we know of the context. We don't know if she felt violated and repulsed, and chose to publicly put on a good face, or whether she was fine with it. If it was the former, sexual assault, no?
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Post by mikey on Oct 28, 2017 17:59:30 GMT -5
If this had been a man kissing a woman that way without permission, would you view it as assault? That was my thought also as I was reading Christine's post. Perhaps this was just a mistaken medical observation and one genuinely thought the other needed mouth to mouth resuscitation? (I'm just being silly)
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Post by Christine on Oct 28, 2017 18:01:34 GMT -5
The fact that this was a media push, that no one has made any complaints, that the kiss-ee was genuinely laughing for an extended period of time -- all indicate that "ifs" and other meaningless speculation are a useless exercise. More so, I view the attention to it (in general) as GIRLS, KISS, ERMIGERD, SEXUAL ASSAULT, as detracting from the problem of sexual assault.
I personally think it best not to entertain notions that do not exist.
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