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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 18:55:26 GMT -5
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Post by michaelw on Nov 13, 2017 19:08:48 GMT -5
She was a Luther Strange supporter, I'm sure.
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Post by michaelw on Nov 13, 2017 19:20:50 GMT -5
On a more serious note, Moore is saying he doesn't know Beverly Nelson. I hope someone can press him on whether the signature is his. Then, perhaps it might be possible to get a handwriting expert to take a look at it.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 13, 2017 19:23:52 GMT -5
Well, it's never going to be proven in a court, at this point. And I doubt there are many people who actually hold that position consistently. Roy Moore, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Harvey Weinstein have all been accused of some pretty serious misconduct, but how many people believe that all four should be given the benefit of the doubt? And how many pick and choose based on the who involved? You can toss Polanski in there, too. Until quite recently, I think there were a lot of people still defending him, even though he had plead guilty to rape. That said, I think there remains a portion of the Moore supporters who don't fall into the two groups suggested by Vince. They may pay lip service to one justification or another, but they're locked in to supporting Moore because their support for Trump has, again, become cult-like. And again, the problem--for me--is determining how far this extends.
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Post by michaelw on Nov 13, 2017 19:28:17 GMT -5
If it extends all the way to supporting a man who preyed on teenage girls, there's not going to be a limit farther down the road that will seem reasonable, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:32:55 GMT -5
On a more serious note, Moore is saying he doesn't know Beverly Nelson. I hope someone can press him on whether the signature is his. Then, perhaps it might be possible to get a handwriting expert to take a look at it. Someone posted a comparison on Twitter, and it sure looks like his signature...
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Post by robeiae on Nov 13, 2017 19:35:58 GMT -5
Like Moore's other accusers, she is a Republican who voted for Trump. In other words -- this isn't a political hit by Democrats, as some Trump supporters have tried to claim. I'm not seeing this in the link you provided, that she is a Republican who voted for Trump. Wait, I found it in this piece: www.thedailybeast.com/woman-says-roy-moore-tried-to-rape-her-at-16-i-was-begging-him-to-stopFWIW, I think Moore is sleazy and I believe his accusers, by and large. And I think there's a concerted effort by some on the right to manufacture the idea that this is all a set-up. But I say "by and large" because...well, because people just suck. There's an awful lot of people tossing out accusations about an awful lot of other people (public figures) right now and I'd like to think the people making the accusations are being truthful, but I just find it easy to believe that some of them might be full of shit, might be jumping on a bandwagon for one reason or another.
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Post by michaelw on Nov 13, 2017 19:40:23 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Nov 13, 2017 19:41:32 GMT -5
If it extends all the way to supporting a man who preyed on teenage girls, there's not going to be a limit farther down the road that will seem reasonable, IMO. Well, I'm talking about the people who fall in to the "cultish" label. Some of Trump's supporters are--imo--misinformed or fooling themselves. Some of them are, I think, supporting Trump for purely reactionary reasons. I don't think any of this reflects a cultish mindset, necessarily, though it might lead to the same place, when it comes to defending Trump or things related to Trump (like Moore).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:49:28 GMT -5
(I'm doing this for you, robeiae) I just posted that! Doesn't anybody read my posts?!
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Post by michaelw on Nov 13, 2017 19:53:58 GMT -5
I've never even met you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:58:12 GMT -5
I knew I shouldn't have switched up my avatars. (It's all haggis 's's's's's fault. He's always finding amusing pictures for me. Baby will be back soon, though. This is just temporary. )
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 13, 2017 20:03:43 GMT -5
Well, it's never going to be proven in a court, at this point. And I doubt there are many people who actually hold that position consistently. Roy Moore, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Harvey Weinstein have all been accused of some pretty serious misconduct, but how many people believe that all four should be given the benefit of the doubt? And how many pick and choose based on the who involved? You can toss Polanski in there, too. Until quite recently, I think there were a lot of people still defending him, even though he had plead guilty to rape. That said, I think there remains a portion of the Moore supporters who don't fall into the two groups suggested by Vince. They may pay lip service to one justification or another, but they're locked in to supporting Moore because their support for Trump has, again, become cult-like. And again, the problem--for me--is determining how far this extends. I'd say if their paying lip service to either justification, they still fall under that group. I mean, really is it that strange to think people will justify voting for someone or against someone based on a theory that they know doesn't hold water? In a way, they're even more disgusting as they don't even believe the accusation is false, but their still voting for him. I also think there's a portion who will support Moore simply because he's an R and not a D. For the love of bacon, write in another candidate if you must, don't vote for this schmuck!
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Post by haggis on Nov 14, 2017 0:45:04 GMT -5
Doesn't anybody read my posts?! Um...no.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 14, 2017 7:19:36 GMT -5
I'd say if their paying lip service to either justification, they still fall under that group. I mean, really is it that strange to think people will justify voting for someone or against someone based on a theory that they know doesn't hold water? In a way, they're even more disgusting as they don't even believe the accusation is false, but their still voting for him. You're giving them way too much credit, I think. People--a lot of people, in my experience--latch on to self-serving justifications all the time, simply because it's convenient. They're not thinking it through. Hell, they're barely thinking at all.
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