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Post by prozyan on Jan 23, 2019 10:59:24 GMT -5
The biggest teachable moment I've seen in this whole fiasco is simple: Do everything possible to stay the hell out of the Twitter outrage machine.
In the heyday of Anonymous I had a friend describe the group thusly: "I can't exactly explain what or who they are, but I know to stay the fuck out of their way".
Twitter is pretty much the same these days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:37:13 GMT -5
Thought experiment, for everyone. I've posed it earlier, in a rough version, but I've fleshed it out to more closely parallel the situation here. I've posed a few questions at the end, which I think are worth everyone considering.
A group of 100 black teens from a Bronx public school goes down to a Kentucky Black Lives Matters protest wearing Antifa t-shirts. While there, 5 Westboro Baptists are screaming their usual crazy shit at everyone. [FYI for those who didn't watch all the tapes, one thing the tapes make clear is that as usual, the Black Israelites group was yelling abuse at everyone who stood still long enough, including the Native American group. They are like the Westboro Baptists in that regard.] This includes a nearby Evangelical group holding an enthusiastic pro-life rally, in which they bang drums, sing loud hymns praising Jesus, and shout about how Jesus loves unborn babies, but do not yell any abuse at the black teens. The Evangelical group is led by an elderly pastor, who may or may not have been deployed to Vietnam, but who did serve in the Marine Corp. for several years during the Vietnam era. (To the extent his military history is even relevant, really, since no one would know about it who was there at the time. However, take as read that he is obviously elderly.) The Westboro Baptists have plenty of nasty names for the Evangelical group, too. It is clear that the Westboro Baptists and Evangelicals are not together or doing the same thing.
The 100 black teens surround the 5 Westboro Baptists, listening to their screeching, eventually, when the Westboro Baptists aim some ugly their way (as they will if you stand around listening long enough), start to interact with them. When the Westboro Baptists yell "You're all niggers -- no crackers among you" The black teens pull out the one white teen with them and yell "We have a cracker! We have another cracker at our school, too, but he didn't come today." Things escalate. The chaperones are down the block at a bus stop, drinking coffee. Or maybe they're right there. In any case, they do not step in.
The Evangelical group sees things escalating between the Westboro Baptists and the black teens. Because they're all about Jesus's peace, they step between the two groups (remember, the Westboro Baptists had been yelling abuse at them, too), banging their drums and singing about Jesus and love, with the goal of stopping the escalation between the teens and the WB group. The WB group recognizes that this is the goal of the Evangelical pastor, yelling "oh, here comes Daddy." (If you don't know what I'm talking about here, you didn't watch the videos.)
The black teens begin to jeer and mock the Evangelical group, surrounding them singing mocking chants about Christians.
The Evangelical group intends to march through the group of kids and to the top of a set of steps, to broadcast their message more broadly and dominate over the melee the WB group is having with the teens. Many of the black teens let them pass, but the group eventually gets to one black teen who stands in front of the pastor, grinning. The other black teens yell "yeah! ha! you can't move him!" while continuing their mocking chants about Jesus and making the sign of the cross in a derisive way.
Let us assume that Fox News released a 3-minute clip leaving out the WB group, showing only the Black teens jeering the elderly evangelical pastor. Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson scream about Antifa and black teens being disrespectful animals and how Christianity is under fire. (Are you seriously telling me this wouldn't happen?)
Later, a longer clip emerged showing the earlier interactions with the WB group. Also, video emerged showing the black teens being rowdy and obnoxious at other points during the field trip.
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(1) I asked this before. Does what the WB group did excuse the way the black teens acted towards the Evangelical pastor and his group? (I say no.)
(2) Would the right wing media and Trump supporters, once the longer tape came out, be saying "oh, the black teens were totally justified. We really misjudged this situation." (Oh fucking come on. NO, they would not. It's only the left that plays right into the MAGA handbook this way -- the right never does. Even if tape came out showing that the Evangelicals themselves had been nasty to the kids, they'd trash the black teens until the end of time. And OMG, if you don't think Fox News, Brietbart, the Federalist, etc. would have been showing the clip of the black teens until the end of time...if you don't think the WSJ and National Review wouldn't have been using it to bemoan the lack of "civility" by the left, and the bias against Christianity, I don't know where you've been living the last few years.)
(3) Would President Trump -- or President Obama -- be inviting the black teens to the White House? (Oh, fucking please.) Would the Today Show have the kids on as guests. (Under this fact pattern? No. Maybe if the police had stepped in with tear gas or beaten some of the kids up.)
(4) Would c.e.lawson and Vince be saying "oh, those poor black teens were totally justified in what they were doing with the Evangelical group. The right-wing media is so unfair!" Would Vince be defending the chaperones? (They can speak for themselves, but my bet is no. I also am betting that the WB abuse would not be justification for the teens' behavior because "everyone knows the WB are assholes; that had nothing to do with the Evangelist group.")
(5) If HuffPo and Daily Kos later reported that while Fox News had initially reported that the Evangelical Minister was a Vietnam vet, in fact the Evangelical pastor merely served for 4 years in the Marine Corp. during the Vietnam era, would Vince be jumping on this as something that exonerates the black teens? (See parenthetical above. Seriously, what possible difference does this make to the fact pattern? The kids wouldn't know shit about his military service. They would be able to see that he was elderly, and that he hadn't been yelling names at them.)
(6) Here's one for you: Under this fact pattern, do you think *I*would be arguing that the black teens were angels and totally justified in their behavior to the evangelical group?
If your answer to the last is "yes," fuck you, you're wrong. I'd be saying exactly what Prozyan and I agreed on above: that yes, the media had made too much of it, but yes, the teens were jerks and not justified in their behavior to the Evangelical group just because the WB group were asshats. And if the left-wing media and the Obama White House tried to make heroes out of the black teens for their behavior to the Evangelical group, I'd be pretty fucking exasperated. If you think otherwise, you haven't paid attention to my posts over the last several years most of you have known me.
IMO, here and in my fact pattern, what we have are inadequately chaperoned teens who behaved badly to a group during a field trip. It's not the end of the world, but they sure as hell are not innocent victims, and fuck no, they aren't heroes.
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To also be clear here -- if a shit-ton of people were not trying to argue that the kids were totes justified in their behavior, that it wasn't problematic, and ffs, trying to make right-wing heroes out of them -- if all that were happening is people demonizing them -- I'd be entirely on team "sure, this was bad, unjustified behavior by the teens, but ffs, they are teens, and they were inadequately chaperoned -- give them a teaching moment about respecting elders, racism, ignoring and walking away from extremist groups screeching on street corners, etc., and let's all fucking move on. Then I'd throw focus my ire on the people sending death threats.
But I can't jump on board with any point of view that doesn't have "yeah, that behavior was in fact bad behavior" as a central premise. And I have yuuuuuge problems with affimatively trying to argue that the kids were justified in it, or downright heroes. When they're being rewarded with trips to the White House, I just can't fucking even any more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:43:00 GMT -5
The biggest teachable moment I've seen in this whole fiasco is simple: Do everything possible to stay the hell out of the Twitter outrage machine. In the heyday of Anonymous I had a friend describe the group thusly: "I can't exactly explain what or who they are, but I know to stay the fuck out of their way". Twitter is pretty much the same these days. I don't disagree. Another teachable moment -- if the Black Israelites or Westboro Baptists or any other nutjob extremists are shrieking invective on a street corner, you stay the hell away and don't interact. You stand somewhere else. (Unless of course, you think it's entertaining and it doesn't bother you. But in that case, well, you've made a choice.) And another, if you bring 100 teens to another city on a field trip, chaperone them. If you see them starting to get in a melee, whoever started it, you pull them away from it and don't let it escalate. Finally, if someone is filming, don't act in a way that will look terrible if it goes viral on social media. Actually, since everyone is always taping everyone these days, as teens know all too well (and indeed, some of them were filming the incident), don't behave badly period.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 23, 2019 12:44:29 GMT -5
Thought experiment, for everyone. I've posed it earlier, in a rough version, but I've fleshed it out to more closely parallel the situation here. I've posed a few questions at the end, which I think are worth everyone considering. A group of 100 black teens from a Bronx public school goes down to a Kentucky Black Lives Matters protest wearing Antifa t-shirts. While there, 5 Westboro Baptists are screaming their usual crazy shit at everyone. [FYI for those who didn't watch all the tapes, one thing the tapes make clear is that as usual, the Black Israelites group was yelling abuse at everyone who stood still long enough, including the Native American group. They are like the Westboro Baptists in that regard.] This includes a nearby Evangelical group holding an enthusiastic pro-life rally, in which they bang drums, sing loud hymns praising Jesus, and shout about how Jesus loves unborn babies, but do not yell any abuse at the black teens. The Evangelical group is led by an elderly pastor, who may or may not have been deployed to Vietnam, but who did serve in the Marine Corp. for several years during the Vietnam era. (To the extent his military history is even relevant, really, since no one would know about it who was there at the time. However, take as read that he is obviously elderly.) The Westboro Baptists have plenty of nasty names for the Evangelical group, too. It is clear that the Westboro Baptists and Evangelicals are not together or doing the same thing. The 100 black teens surround the 5 Westboro Baptists, listening to their screeching, eventually, when the Westboro Baptists aim some ugly their way (as they will if you stand around listening long enough), start to interact with them. When the Westboro Baptists yell "You're all niggers -- no crackers among you" The black teens pull out the one white teen with them and yell "We have a cracker! We have another cracker at our school, too, but he didn't come today." Things escalate. The chaperones are down the block at a bus stop, drinking coffee. Or maybe they're right there. In any case, they do not step in. The Evangelical group sees things escalating between the Westboro Baptists and the black teens. Because they're all about Jesus's peace, they step between the two groups (remember, the Westboro Baptists had been yelling abuse at them, too), banging their drums and singing about Jesus and love, with the goal of stopping the escalation between the teens and the WB group. The WB group recognizes that this is the goal of the Evangelical pastor, yelling "oh, here comes Daddy." (If you don't know what I'm talking about here, you didn't watch the videos.) The black teens begin to jeer and mock the Evangelical group, surrounding them singing mocking chants about Christians. The Evangelical group intends to march through the group of kids and to the top of a set of steps, to broadcast their message more broadly and dominate over the melee the WB group is having with the teens. Many of the black teens let them pass, but the group eventually gets to one black teen who stands in front of the pastor, grinning. The other black teens yell "yeah! ha! you can't move him!" while continuing their mocking chants about Jesus and making the sign of the cross in a derisive way. Let us assume that Fox News released a 3-minute clip leaving out the WB group, showing only the Black teens jeering the elderly evangelical pastor. Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson scream about Antifa and black teens being disrespectful animals and how Christianity is under fire. (Are you seriously telling me this wouldn't happen?) Later, a longer clip emerged showing the earlier interactions with the WB group. Also, video emerged showing the black teens being rowdy and obnoxious at other points during the field trip. Questions:(1) I asked this before. Does what the WB group did excuse the way the black teens acted towards the Evangelical pastor and his group? (I say no.) (2) Would the right wing media and Trump supporters, once the longer tape came out, be saying "oh, the black teens were totally justified. We really misjudged this situation." (Oh fucking come on. NO, they would not. It's only the left that plays right into the MAGA handbook this way -- the right never does. Even if tape came out showing that the Evangelicals themselves had been nasty to the kids, they'd trash the black teens until the end of time. And OMG, if you don't think Fox News, Brietbart, the Federalist, etc. would have been showing the clip of the black teens until the end of time...if you don't think the WSJ and National Review wouldn't have been using it to bemoan the lack of "civility" by the left, and the bias against Christianity, I don't know where you've been living the last few years.) (3) Would President Trump -- or President Obama -- be inviting the black teens to the White House? (Oh, fucking please.) Would the Today Show have the kids on as guests. (Under this fact pattern? No. Maybe if the police had stepped in with tear gas or beaten some of the kids up.) (4) Would c.e.lawson and Vince be saying "oh, those poor black teens were totally justified in what they were doing with the Evangelical group. The right-wing media is so unfair!" Would Vince be defending the chaperones? (They can speak for themselves, but my bet is no. I also am betting that the WB abuse would not be justification for the teens' behavior because "everyone knows the WB are assholes; that had nothing to do with the Evangelist group.") (5) If HuffPo and Daily Kos later reported that while Fox News had initially reported that the Evangelical Minister was a Vietnam vet, in fact the Evangelical pastor merely served for 4 years in the Marine Corp. during the Vietnam era, would Vince be jumping on this as something that exonerates the black teens? (See parenthetical above. Seriously, what possible difference does this make to the fact pattern? The kids wouldn't know shit about his military service. They would be able to see that he was elderly, and that he hadn't been yelling names at them.) (6) Here's one for you: Under this fact pattern, do you think *I*would be arguing that the black teens were angels and totally justified in their behavior to the evangelical group? If your answer to the last is "yes," fuck you, you're wrong. I'd be saying exactly what Prozyan and I agreed on above: that yes, the media had made too much of it, but yes, the teens were jerks and not justified in their behavior to the Evangelical group just because the WB group were asshats. And if the left-wing media and the Obama White House tried to make heroes out of the black teens for their behavior to the Evangelical group, I'd be pretty fucking exasperated. If you think otherwise, you haven't paid attention to my posts over the last several years most of you have known me. IMO, here and in my fact pattern, what we have are inadequately chaperoned teens who behaved badly to a group during a field trip. It's not the end of the world, but they sure as hell are not innocent victims, and fuck no, they aren't heroes. Going by your hypothetical situation, 1) No 2) Many who are defending the kids here would be happy to condemn the kids in what you described. 3) Would Trump? No, but he still thinks the Central Park 5 are guilty. Would Obama? Maybe. Remember the beer summit. (I assume he'd serve root here) And as far as being on talk shows. Yes. And why shouldn't they, when they're being vilified nationally, use whatever platform to defend themselves. 4) I still don't see why you think I defended the chaperones. I simply said if they were volunteers and parents, you can't really fire them. And as it's a private school, you know the school isn't going to want to piss off a paying customer unless they make the choice to expel the student which would result in a lawsuit. 5) I didn't say that his lack of being a Vietnam Vet exonerates the kids. What it does do is show you he may not be being truthful in his version of what he was thinking. 6) No, you'd be consistent. However, the kids didn't surround the BI. And Phillips didn't seem to want to walk around them. He walked into them, banged his drum in their face, and chanted something which they would have no idea what he was saying. He got in their face. There's no doubt, forget the BLM and t shirts, if these were black teens, a lot of people would reverse positions. To some, a black teen boy is plain old scary, even if he's helping a little old lady cross the street, and then rescues a kitten. But there also seems to be this contention that as white male teens, they should be destroyed.
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Post by celawson on Jan 23, 2019 12:55:12 GMT -5
I really don't like the whole speculation stuff. I never said the group was "totally justified" for anything. Where do you get this reading of my posts? But I do think kids should be allowed to stand in place smiling without being pilloried. Or perform school cheers without receiving death threats. Your description is way over the top anyway, so it's not a fair comparison. The Covington kids did not "surround" anybody. IMO, they were not jeering and chanting to purposely mock like you describe. And, IMO, the Native Americans did not stride into the kids' personal space for "peace". LOL. There is one Native American who was clearly confrontational and yelling abuse at the teens. So it's difficult for me to join in here with your hypothetical, sorry. What is really clear, though, is that the MAGA hat is the main thing getting under your and others' skin. And that you still seem more angry at the kids than the awful people in the media who called for violence against them. That's what this discussion should really be about. We've all said at least more than once that the kids could have behaved better. Can't most kids in a similarly uncomfortable and new situation? Big revelation there. But they were not violent, or purposely cruel, or trying to instigate. I thought we had already moved on to the most important part of the discussion, which is the false and/or violent media/social media narrative and explosion against these kids. Because no matter how "obnoxious" you think they were, they did not deserve what they got from the MSM and social media. Case in point regarding the outright falsehoods being expressed: What world is she living in, that she could Tweet that? As a congressional rep? There are 4 or 5 outright lies in that Tweet. 5 if the PR firm isn't right wing. BTW, I saw 8 minutes of the Today interview with Nick Sandmann. I stand by my initial interpretation of the kid's behavior towards the drummer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 13:05:43 GMT -5
Did you watch all the videos, c.e.? Showing the groups from different perspectives? From your comments, no, I know you did not. Tell me, would my group of Antifa t-shirt wearing teens owe an apology to the Evangelist preacher they ridiculed? For the record, I think "yes, yes they would." And that's regardless of his Vietnam record. If they gave it, I'd be way more inclined to say "leave them the heck alone--they're kids who behaved badly, and they've learned their lesson." Hard for me to give that pass to the group of Covington teens, when they and you think they owe no apology, and right wing media and the president are hailing them as heroes and victims. If I'd been on the Today show under these circumstances, you can bet my mom and dad would have had me lead with a goddamn apology. ETA: I knew, by the way, that you would not answer my questions, and instead would just try to diss minor elements of the hypothetical. I can pretty easily imagine the thread you'd start bemoaning the lack of civility the left was teaching its teens and how Christianity was under attack, were anything close to my hypothetical to happen. ETA: Vince524 , I missed your response until now. Thank you for engaging with my hypo. For the record, I don't disagree with you that a lot of people would flip their answers to take the reverse of the positions they are taking now. But yeah, I have a problem with that. I'd be just as exasperated as I am now, just at a different group of people. Also for the record, though if I were the parents, I'd probably not be thrusting my kid further into the limelight, but if for some reason I DID, I'd have them lead with "I'm sorry. I was being kind of a jerk to the Native American elder and I should have shown more respect." Then they could go on to, "I'm really not a racist jerk, I was just kind of hyped up after those BHI guys and my friends and I got carried away into being jerky and stupid ourselves, we didn't really realize how jerky it looked until the videos came out, and for what it's worth, here's more context on the moment and the day." Then, fwiw, I'd be Team Live the Damn Kids Alone. I'm already on Team Leave the Damn Kids Alone, actually -- but that includes not making them into heroes or poor widdle angels. ETA: Also for the record -- IMO Mr. Phillip's credibility is irrelevant to the behavior of the kids. I'm going on my views of the videos, not the word of Mr. Phillips, with possibly one exception -- his motives for stepping between the kids and the Black Israelites. But to note: that view seems consistent with the videos, and indeed seems to be how the Black Israelites viewed their motive (.e.g., "oh, here comes Daddy!" etc.) Moreover, that motive is also irrelevant to me -- what matters is what actually happened. Also worth noting that other bystanders believed that was Phillip's motive, and also perceived him as trying to get to the top of the steps, and that the kid was deliberately engaging in a stand-off with him. But again, the motive doesn't matter to me so much as what actually happened. Thus, I actually don't give a tinker's damn whether he served in Vietnam or was just a Marine corp veteran who served during that era (which doesn't seem to be disputed). It's not about his word. It's about what I saw on the video. On the "school cheer" thing c.e. is so hot on, I'm interested that a school with a southern colonel as it's mascot has Native American war whoops for school cheers. In this day and age, those are widely regarded as offensive even for teams that have a native American mascot. Also I roll my eyes at the idea that the kids would innocently bring such chants out without seeing why they'd look derisive when directed at a Native American. As c.e. would say "sorry", I don't buy it. If you don't think the kids were doing tomahawk chops and Indian war chants at the Native Americans, while laughing and jeering, you did not watch the videos. That's directed at you, c.e.lawson, with your repeated reiteration of the "school cheers".
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Post by celawson on Jan 23, 2019 14:14:44 GMT -5
As long as there's room for interpretation, only Nick Sandmann can know his own intent. He states he didn't want to show disrespect by turning away from Mr. Phillips, and that he smiled so as not to escalate anything. That sounds reasonable. And it seems supported by the part of the video where he gestures to the kid behind him to stop. To me, that's not being a jerk. So why should he say publicly that he was being a jerk?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:24:25 GMT -5
As long as there's room for interpretation, only Nick Sandmann can know his own intent. He states he didn't want to show disrespect by turning away from Mr. Phillips, and that he smiled so as not to escalate anything. That sounds reasonable. And it seems supported by the part of the video where he gestures to the kid behind him to stop. To me, that's not being a jerk. So why should he say publicly that he was being a jerk? Please link to the video you mean and give me a time spot where you see this gesture occurring. Here, c.e., I'll help. I know how busy you are. Here's a closeup of the interaction between them. Show me where the gesture is. Gee, I keep watching and watching, and I see...Mr. Phillips marching through the crowd, kids surrounding him hooting and laughing and making tomahawk chops, the kid standing there smiling, the other kids gloating about how he won't move...but no polite gesture from the kid telling his friends to stop. Huh. What am I missing, c.e.? Is there another close-up video that shows this? One far away? I seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and I've watched half a dozen of these videos from different angles. So show me. I mean, I'm sure you didn't just read some account somewhere where someone said this happened and just took their word for it? There's a gesture and I'm just not being observant enough.
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Post by celawson on Jan 23, 2019 14:56:12 GMT -5
No, I saw it multiple times from two angles. I will try to dig up a link for you.
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OK I just found one clip but the speed is off and it isn't great quality so I'm still looking. In your video above, he does this at a point when the drum obscures him completely. Give me a minute
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 15:02:43 GMT -5
I look forward to it. Clearly, this is a video I have not seen.
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BTW? You might also want to ascertain whether it was doctored. Because that happens, and then those videos accidentally get circulated, like when Sarah Sanders accidentally tweeted a doctored version that sped up Acosta's arm to look like he karate chopped the aide rather than trying to sidestep the aide's lunge.
Over the last couple of days, I've seen a loooooot of people and publications defending these kids, and a loooooottt of circulated videos, and not one mention of this gesture until now.
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Meantime, post the clip where the quality isn't great. Maybe I can make it out, if you can.
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Post by celawson on Jan 23, 2019 15:28:40 GMT -5
The key is finding a clip that films from the other side of the two of them. That way the drum doesn't obscure. Where did they all go? I saw a couple yesterday or the day before, but those were on Twitter. Unfortunately, this is the best I can do. And it partially obscures his initial hand gestures. But here it is anyway. Wow, I didn't think it would be that hard to scroll back on Twitter, LOL.
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Here's a Tweet with a video. It's prob the same one, but it runs at normal speed on my laptop, not all jerky like the YouTube
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 16:00:14 GMT -5
When I have time, I'm going to do some digging into that clip. I can tell you what's bothering me about it:
(1) You're right about the quality. Frankly, it looks like someone's been editing it. Jerkiness happens when you doctor.
(2) Yes, as the title of the video says, it certainly IS rare footage. You'd think with all the right wing folks defending the kid and talking about him just being nervous and polite, they'd be circulating the hell out this and making the most of it. Yet, for all the people I see defending this, no one has mentioned this gesture or shown this video. It has only 79 views since yesterday. Why isn't it viral? I follow conservatives on Twitter. I follow plenty of people defending the kid. Where is this video? The kid is issuing statements and going on the Today show. I understand he has a publicist. Why not display this video.
(3) It's interesting that as loud and close as that interaction is, you don't hear it on the other video. Actually, in the video I posted, you can see the Native American guy (the one talking about how Native Americans have been here longer than Europeans) in yours. He's next to that woman who calls the group a mob. But, huh -- he's not having that conversation at all in the other video -- or at least you can't hear it. You can hear her voice loud and clear. Why can't you hear that particular exchange in the background of the other close-up videos with Phillips and the kids? Why, other than the chanting and drums, does the video sound completely different?
(4) I'll just say it's a coincidence that gesture coincides with the drum blocking the kids face in the other video. It's not a small gesture, yet you can't see any of it. It's also out of tune with the kid's behavior throughout the rest of his interaction with Phillips. And there's something really weird about the angle of his arm at around .38-.39. Finally, note that Phillips is cut out of the frame at the crucial moment of the gesture. Coincidence? Maybe... but again, why does circulation of this video seem to be entirely from some pretty dodgy/obscure sources?
It may not be until this weekend, but I'm going to look into what the deal is with this video and where it originates. If it's real, then I'll say the kid made one gesture that might be interpreted as "let's tone it down, guys." (Note that in this event, he clearly felt his group was out of hand.) But I do find it very odd that the kid and his supporters have not been making much more of that, and more mainstream conservative media. Where is Fox, the WSJ, and the National Review with this video, if it is legit? Like, I took a look at that twitter account that is circulating it, and it's not exactly what I'd call a credible account.
I am betting it's doctored -- perhaps a splice of a couple of videos -- more because I think it would be all over Twitter if it were real than anything else. But we'll see. If I'm wrong, I will certainly say so.
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Post by prozyan on Jan 23, 2019 16:09:53 GMT -5
If that is a splice job, I'll hire the person that did it in a heartbeat. Pay them very well too....
Forget MAGA kid and the drum beater....the dude in the red hat is the biggest idiot I've seen in any of these videos.
Though I try not to spend my day scouring the corners of twitter for every video of this non-event.
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Post by celawson on Jan 23, 2019 16:17:55 GMT -5
My experience with YouTube is that the video has to be posted at a particular setting with regard to what sort of video the poster took, otherwise it can be jerky. I've experienced that with my daughter's volleyball recruiting video clips. So no, I do not think it is doctored. Maybe I was wrong in where I thought it was in your video, but I do not think this is doctored, and I do think the drum obscures some periods of Nick Sandmann in your video's angle.
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