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Post by Angie on Sept 6, 2017 18:01:59 GMT -5
Forgive me if this is a duplicate, but I didn't see any threads started about Trump's DACA decision. I'm, quite frankly, disgusted. People who were brought here as children, through no fault of their own, and for whom this country is the only world they've known, will now get tossed to a "home" country that will be completely alien to them.
No, I don't think it's right that they WERE brought here illegally - but I also don't think it's right to toss them out of the only home country they've ever known for something they had no say in. It's disgusting and cruel. And I don't have a helluva lot of faith in the current Congress doing anything to help them.
Randy Rainbow, as usual, nails it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 18:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by Vince524 on Sept 6, 2017 19:09:49 GMT -5
Cass, you want us to tweet that?
Speaking of which, there was a tweet from Trump saying that congress has 6 months to make DACA law. Does that mean if congress were to pass a law on it, he'll sign it? I'm so confused.
I think the DACA could probably stand a new look, but if you've got ppl here since they were little, it's pretty shitty to threaten them with deportation, although I'm not sure that's what's happening. A kid who was raised here is going to be pretty American. And if they're in college, and contributing, that's a good thing, yes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 19:28:41 GMT -5
Absolutely, tweet it! I already did, and asked people to retweet. This is a national group for lawyers to do good, so they can be in any state. And they need help for the Dreamers right now!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 19:37:28 GMT -5
A kid who was raised here is going to be pretty American. And if they're in college, and contributing, that's a good thing, yes? Indeed. Their birth country will be a foreign land to them. They may not even speak the language, if they came over as babies. They are Americans, not whatever country they were born in. Not only are they contributing, but since they were kids when they came, any wrongdoing (if you get worked up about the illegal alien thing) was their parents', not theirs. They don't deserve to be punished for it. It's interesting. Every conservative friend I've spoken to, even the ones who are pretty tough on immigration issues, thinks this sucks. Seems to be true on twitter, too -- all the conservatives I follow condemn this action. It's got to be a wee tiny group of alt-righters cheering this on. I've also seen stories claiming it will COST us money, not save it. So even taking humanitarianism aside, what the hell is supposed to be the point?!
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Post by Angie on Sept 7, 2017 9:40:54 GMT -5
It's interesting. Every conservative friend I've spoken to, even the ones who are pretty tough on immigration issues, thinks this sucks. Seems to be true on twitter, too -- all the conservatives I follow condemn this action. It's got to be a wee tiny group of alt-righters cheering this on. And then there's my lovely state rep, Steve "I have a Confederate flag on my desk in IOWA, bitches!" King. His FB page is filled with anti-DACA, "Gee, we sure showed them lib'rals" crap. I absolutely loathe that racist [bleep]ing [bleeeeep] [bleeeeeeeeeeBLEEPeeeep].
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Post by Vince524 on Sept 7, 2017 15:39:51 GMT -5
Trump tweeted out something to tell dreamers that no action will be taken against them over the next 6 months. I'm starting to really wonder if he thinks he's the hero of this story?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 16:34:54 GMT -5
So far 3600 lawyers have volunteered free legal services to help the Dreamers. They just put out the call yesterday, so that's in 24 hours.
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Post by Don on Sept 8, 2017 7:14:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:37:18 GMT -5
It's cruel to the kids, who will be deported to a country whose culture is foreign to them and where they will be a stranger.
It in no way represents "justice", since they were innocent children brought here by their parents.
And it hurts the economy.
Congrats, Trump admin. It's a lose-lose.
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Post by mikey on Sept 8, 2017 9:29:26 GMT -5
According to the article Don posted, the average age of a DACA recipient is 22 years old. That's old enough to vote, join the military, buy alcohol, or travel the world alone. In other words, adults.
Also, the article goes on to tell us that only 17% of DACA recipients are on track to complete an advanced degree. Nothing great that I can see.
Also again, it seems silly to me to think that all this economic advantage to the government would go unfulfilled if not for DACAs. I think there is more young people in this country than there is opportunity for them.
In short, I don't buy the whole economic downfall angle without these DACAs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 10:04:11 GMT -5
According to the article Don posted, the average age of a DACA recipient is 22 years old. That's old enough to vote, join the military, buy alcohol, or travel the world alone. In other words, adults. Also, the article goes on to tell us that only 17% of DACA recipients are on track to complete an advanced degree. Nothing great that I can see. Also again, it seems silly to me to think that all this economic advantage to the government would go unfulfilled if not for DACAs. I think there is more young people in this country than there is opportunity for them. In short, I don't buy the whole economic downfall angle without these DACAs. Don provided a cite from a reputable organization (and not even a liberal one). I've seen other analyses as well. Care to follow Don's example and support your belief?
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Post by mikey on Sept 8, 2017 10:37:34 GMT -5
According to the article Don posted, the average age of a DACA recipient is 22 years old. That's old enough to vote, join the military, buy alcohol, or travel the world alone. In other words, adults. Also, the article goes on to tell us that only 17% of DACA recipients are on track to complete an advanced degree. Nothing great that I can see. Also again, it seems silly to me to think that all this economic advantage to the government would go unfulfilled if not for DACAs. I think there is more young people in this country than there is opportunity for them. In short, I don't buy the whole economic downfall angle without these DACAs. Don provided a cite from a reputable organization (and not even a liberal one). I've seen other analyses as well. Care to follow Don's example and support your belief? Again, according to the article Don posted.
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Post by Angie on Sept 8, 2017 11:26:24 GMT -5
I'm not really getting why the advanced degree part is such a stumbling block for you. Also, you're comparing an employment rate with an education rate with this:
Apples to oranges. Also, that 17% does not account for people who have either completed a degree or are still in lower-level schooling. It only counts the ones that are going for a degree right now.
As for your point that the average DACA recipient is 22...nobody's arguing that they're children NOW. The point is that they were BROUGHT here as children, through no fault of their own. Whether you're 10 or 100, being dumped into a country that's utterly foreign to you and told to figure it out because you don't get to go back to the only place you've ever known as home would be cruel and terrifying.
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Post by mikey on Sept 8, 2017 11:42:04 GMT -5
Again Angie I'm commenting on the economics part of the article that Don posted. Specifically, the" represents a quarter-trillion hit to the economy" part. The article itself, from the way I read it is tying all this together.
Perhaps you should read the article then tell us where I'm missing the mark?
Or perhaps you also don't agree with the articles conclusion?
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