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Post by robeiae on Nov 8, 2018 10:11:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 10:28:53 GMT -5
Yes, it's terrible. Tucker Carlson is a fucking ass, a lying manipulator, and a big part of what is wrong with America, but no one should be attacking him or his property or scaring his family. Mobs are bad. Violence is bad. It's wrong. And if that doesn't deter those thinking about such actions, they might stop to think about the fact that it gives Tucker and his cohort ammunition to bemoan liberal mobs.
I haven't seen any Democratic politicians or mainstream media implying that people physically attacking Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, et al. is a good thing. Let me know if you see any, and I'll be sure to condemn it.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 8, 2018 10:31:03 GMT -5
So, I feel like I've gone down the rabbit hole on twitter. This is the twitter account of the guy who started Smash Racism DC (though he says he's no longer active): twitter.com/vulgareconomics?lang=enHe's got a website, too: www.vulgareconomics.com/Apparently, he's a college professor. Here he is on Tucker Carlson's show:
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Post by Don on Nov 8, 2018 12:31:24 GMT -5
His website is misnamed. I saw neither vulgarity nor economic thinking.
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 9, 2018 21:47:10 GMT -5
Yes, it's terrible. Tucker Carlson is a fucking ass, a lying manipulator, and a big part of what is wrong with America, but no one should be attacking him or his property or scaring his family. Mobs are bad. Violence is bad. It's wrong. And if that doesn't deter those thinking about such actions, they might stop to think about the fact that it gives Tucker and his cohort ammunition to bemoan liberal mobs. I haven't seen any Democratic politicians or mainstream media implying that people physically attacking Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, et al. is a good thing. Let me know if you see any, and I'll be sure to condemn it. Condoning? No, but I don't know that I've heard a whole hell of a lot of condemnation from most either.
And say what you will about Carlson, but at least he stopped wearing those stupid bow ties.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 22:26:30 GMT -5
Yes, it's terrible. Tucker Carlson is a fucking ass, a lying manipulator, and a big part of what is wrong with America, but no one should be attacking him or his property or scaring his family. Mobs are bad. Violence is bad. It's wrong. And if that doesn't deter those thinking about such actions, they might stop to think about the fact that it gives Tucker and his cohort ammunition to bemoan liberal mobs. I haven't seen any Democratic politicians or mainstream media implying that people physically attacking Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, et al. is a good thing. Let me know if you see any, and I'll be sure to condemn it. Condoning? No, but I don't know that I've heard a whole hell of a lot of condemnation from most either.
And say what you will about Carlson, but at least he stopped wearing those stupid bow ties.
I'm not sure who you follow or listen to, but I saw a ton of Dem and media figures condemning it in no uncertain terms. My guess is that I follow more liberal politicians and pundits than you do. (Also worth noting that there's a shit ton going on this week besides Tucker, including ten people getting gunned down. Hard to keep up with commenting on all the crazy and awful these days.) Whereas our president has actively cheered on violence against mainstream media figures. That was my point. There are some bad actors in any party/political group, because humans suck sometimes. It's bad whoever does it. The big question is, are their leaders encouraging it?
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Post by Vince524 on Nov 10, 2018 1:21:01 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't really follow any pundits or watch the news in any form these days. I really don't have time. I'll read articles, see stuff on here, on twitter or facebook, but I'm not actively watching the news anymore. I've lost my stomach for it.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 10, 2018 10:50:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 11:37:06 GMT -5
Was Tucker exaggerating what actually happened?
Think Progress is a partisan site, and I take it with a huge chunk of salt. But that's at least equally true for Tucker Carlson, who has shown time and again that he has zero regard for the truth.
Look, I think regardless, the protesters should leave his home and family alone. He has kids, and there are other, better ways of protesting him. so I don't defend this protest. But for now, I'm taking the cracked front door and the threats of pipe bombs with a grain of salt until I hear about them from neutral sources that aren't just repeated Tucker's claims or those of his cronies.
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Post by nighttimer on Nov 10, 2018 16:26:20 GMT -5
I feel the same way about Tucker Carlson. Carlson's preppy boy persona had worn thin with me and when he slithered into Bill O'Reilly's time slot on Fraud News it was simply a case of trading one egotistical blowhard with another. So, Carlson upped the ante. He became a raging warrior against immigration and diversity in any or all forms. Carlson loves to feed the fear and paranoia of the White conservatives who watch his show and then take it on blind faith they're being informed instead of programmed.
I don't feel like going through a litany of Tucker Carlson's Greatest Dog Whistles. It's highly uncool to stalk and threaten assholes like Carlson and his family. That should not happen and families should be off-limits even for protestors. That said, Carlson is an enabler of bigots, so it's not surprising he gets called out for promoting bigotry. Don't like the effects, T.C? Tough shit. Don't produce the cause.
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Post by robeiae on Nov 10, 2018 17:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Nov 10, 2018 17:37:37 GMT -5
I've had my share of hate mail and N-bombs dropped on me for things I've written that have riled up some. Death threats, stalking and confronting a man and his family at his home is out of bounds. I don't care if it's Richard Spencer, Evil Dick Cheney or anyone else I have little usage for as trash human beings. Their families should be a "no-fly" zone. I don't like Trump. Not one bit, but that dislike would never extend to Barron Trump as he is not in the spotlight and is a kid and that's the end of that. Tucker Carlson deserves to not have his family harassed. That's totally a non-starter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 17:18:40 GMT -5
So, um, yeah, Tucker seems to have been exaggerating just a smidge:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 17:35:30 GMT -5
It also boggles me that this incident seemed to have been talked about much more than the Thousand Oaks shooting. Ten people gunned down. Ho hum. Poor Tucker Carlson!
And everyone's forgotten all about Christine Ford, who's still in hiding, had to move several times, and can't go back to her job because she's still getting so many death threats. And bombs to 14 people? What bombs? Oh, those violent leftists and their spray paint.
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Post by Optimus on Nov 11, 2018 19:50:18 GMT -5
So, um, yeah, Tucker seems to have been exaggerating just a smidge: While I have no reason to doubt that TC exaggerated about the incident (in much the same way that everyone exaggerates on their resume), why should I take RJ Kavanaugh's word on any of this, given that at no point in her thread does she ever link to the police report, or offer any evidence at all that she's not just making shit up? "Don't believe Tucker Carlson because he's Tucker Carlson. Believe this random lawyer on Twitter because she says that Tucker Carlson is lying." Is anyone applying this same level of scrutiny to Dr. Ford's recent claims that she's still getting harassed because of her testimony? Personally, I believe her claims about being harassed and threatened b/c of her testimony, because I know that there are shitty extremists out there who do shitty things. Twitter is a daily reminder of that all by itself. But my point is if Tucker Carlson were a liberal woman (bonus points if a WOC), rather than a conservative white man, and a handful of Proud Boys had acted the exact same way outside his (her) home, there would not be this dissection of the accuracy of the claims. They would credulously accepted at face value and any suggestion otherwise (even if the claims were BS) would be attacked for "blaming the victim." #BelieveAllLefties Regardless of the severity of the harassment, it's not OK to harass someone and/or their family in their private lives for any reason, least of all for their political speech. If it's not OK to do it to Dr. Ford, it's not OK to do it to TC and his family either (spoiler alert: it's not OK in either situation). If a person believes differently, then their thinking lacks logical coherence. Just as happens on the far right, some parts of the far left just can't help bathing in its own hypocrisy sometimes.
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