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Post by Vince524 on Apr 9, 2020 17:52:01 GMT -5
We were one election away from having our first woman vice president when McCain was running for President. But I'mm guessing the DNC wasn't pulling for that result... But I still think it's inconsequential. Picking a woman as VP won't help Biden win the election. He'll do that--or not do that--on his own merits.* * Assuming Biden is the nominee, which isn't an absolute given. Is there another option at this point? If so, what? Do we have to sacrifice a goat to get another option? I could do that.
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Post by michaelw on Apr 18, 2020 2:53:07 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAWIX7OJJIBiden's really not looking very good, recently. I gotta be brutally honest, I don't see how he's gonna pull himself together enough to get through a presidential campaign. And the coronavirus situation makes his lack of sharpness seem even more of a weakness than it would be normally, IMO.
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Post by prozyan on Apr 18, 2020 13:38:04 GMT -5
Gupta's look in that clip says it all.
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Post by Optimus on Apr 18, 2020 13:40:21 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAWIX7OJJIBiden's really not looking very good, recently. I gotta be brutally honest, I don't see how he's gonna pull himself together enough to get through a presidential campaign. And the coronavirus situation makes his lack of sharpness seem even more of a weakness than it would be normally, IMO. I think he could potentially get destroyed by Trump in a debate. Normally, something like that would sound ridiculous, but the first time Biden stumbles on his words, Trump will pounce all over that, viciously make fun of him (like he did with the disabled person), and it will be over. From that point on, Biden will be viewed by a national audience as an Alzheimer's patient and it will be an impression he will not be able to shake.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 18, 2020 13:45:45 GMT -5
I know some people are saying that as a child, Biden suffered from a stutter and that what we're seeing is just a part of that, but I don't remember seeing him like this in the past. Am I wrong?
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Post by Optimus on Apr 18, 2020 14:24:36 GMT -5
I know some people are saying that as a child, Biden suffered from a stutter and that what we're seeing is just a part of that, but I don't remember seeing him like this in the past. Am I wrong? Yeah, I recall reading an article several months ago that was using that defense. But, there's a difference between having a stutter and rambling incoherently because his brain doesn't work as well as it once did and he can't cognitively find the information in his head (if it's even still there). His behaviour seems much more an example of the latter than the former.
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Post by michaelw on Apr 18, 2020 21:09:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I recall reading an article several months ago that was using that defense. But, there's a difference between having a stutter and rambling incoherently because his brain doesn't work as well as it once did and he can't cognitively find the information in his head (if it's even still there). His behaviour seems much more an example of the latter than the former. Yeah, that's what I think, too. There are just too many cases now where--as you said--he seems to be searching for the right words and coming up empty (like when he couldn't remember the preamble from the Declaration of Independence, or couldn't remember Obama's name). This probably goes without saying, but obviously this isn't a moral defect in any way, shape, or form. But I just can't fathom how some Democrats can actually fool themselves into thinking this isn't going to be a major liability, regardless.
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Post by prozyan on Apr 19, 2020 14:24:39 GMT -5
But I still think it's inconsequential. Picking a woman as VP won't help Biden win the election. He'll do that--or not do that--on his own merits.* I don't agree it is inconsequential. There is a pretty good chance that Biden either dies or becomes unable to perform his duties while in office. I'd really hate to see Warren (and any other VP picked based solely on sex) backdoor herself into the Presidency.
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Post by Optimus on Apr 19, 2020 14:36:50 GMT -5
I think at this point anyone voting for Biden will really be voting for his VP, with the expectation that the VP will eventually take over at some point during the first term.
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Post by michaelw on Apr 20, 2020 0:21:01 GMT -5
I don't agree it is inconsequential. There is a pretty good chance that Biden either dies or becomes unable to perform his duties while in office. I'd really hate to see Warren (and any other VP picked based solely on sex) backdoor herself into the Presidency. I think you and Rob are talking about different things, though. (And you're both right, IMO.) Obviously the VP pick is important to get right, because that person is second in line to become president. (And that's even more true w/ Biden, for the reasons you mentioned.) But at the same time, picking a woman as VP instead of a man--as Rob noted--probably isn't going to have much impact on the election result, in and of itself.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 20, 2020 7:58:15 GMT -5
I don't agree it is inconsequential. There is a pretty good chance that Biden either dies or becomes unable to perform his duties while in office. I'd really hate to see Warren (and any other VP picked based solely on sex) backdoor herself into the Presidency. I think you and Rob are talking about different things, though. (And you're both right, IMO.) Obviously the VP pick is important to get right, because that person is second in line to become president. (And that's even more true w/ Biden, for the reasons you mentioned.) But at the same time, picking a woman as VP instead of a man--as Rob noted--probably isn't going to have much impact on the election result, in and of itself. Correct. In the lead-up to every Presidential election during my adult lifetime, countless time is spent arguing about who a challenger should pick as a a VP, based on the idea that some picks will help their chances of winning the election. But there's no evidence that a VP pick has ever been critical to achieving victory in a general election. It's not like Obama needed Biden to deliver Delaware, nor did Bush need Cheney to deliver Wyoming. And Clinton sure as hell didn't need Gore to deliver the South. People--intelligent people, no less--are babbling on and on about how Biden should pick Harris to get the black vote or the female vote, or how he should pick someone who would pacify Sanders supporters, and so forth. And it's all pointless, imo.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 28, 2020 17:28:42 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Apr 28, 2020 18:23:43 GMT -5
Christ. No matter what happens in November, the country is doomed for another 4 years.
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Post by robeiae on Apr 28, 2020 18:48:53 GMT -5
So, Biden is recommending that we fuck the rest of the world (economically speaking)? That's right there with injecting disinfectant.
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Post by Vince524 on Apr 28, 2020 18:50:12 GMT -5
Here's a legit question. Cab Biden be replaced at this point? Is it legal for the DNC to pull him and install someone else through a brokered convention or some other such means?
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