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Post by robeiae on Jan 11, 2021 7:52:17 GMT -5
FYI, Parler is currently dead.
Here's a comment:
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Post by robeiae on Jan 11, 2021 8:16:55 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 11, 2021 8:51:25 GMT -5
Interesting claim:
He says he'll have a piece out soon to back it up.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 11, 2021 14:31:57 GMT -5
Parler is now officially offline (for now): www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/parler-drops-offline-after-amazon-withdraws-support.htmlIn terms of radicalization and fomenting anger, these types of things could potentially make things worse. It's basically pouring gasoline on a conspiracy theory forest fire. I'm not at all defending the kind of bigoted, lunatic trash that far-right radicals believe. Parler was definitely used to help plan the insurrection and there were multiple posts planning violence and harm. A big part of me is saying, "good riddance to bad rubbish." But I really wonder if this is a good approach to quelling the insanity. I think it may wind up having the opposite effect for a lot of the less rational people out there. These broad measures will likely punish non-radical people who are expressing their 1st amendment rights but are caught up in the wake of bannings, and when they see they're being punished and attacked online just like the radical wackos are, some of them will likely join the wackos as "oppressed brothers-in-arms." I think at least some of the motivation behind a lot of these big tech restrictions is to punish their political enemies rather than simply trying to tamp down on harmful and violent rhetoric. Whether I like the outcome or not (e.g., I fully support getting extremist disinformation off social media), I question whether this is a good way to achieve it in the long term. This type of stuff may very well help (if not ensure) the GOP take Congress over again in 2022, and I have little doubt that the GOP will then engage in these same types of tactics (possibly worse) to people on the left. EDITED TO ADD: I just now saw all of Rob's posts on this, lol. I hadn't clicked over to the last page of posts in this thread before I posted. Oh well.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 11, 2021 16:51:22 GMT -5
Well, we seem to pretty much agree, for what it's worth.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 12, 2021 8:32:18 GMT -5
Lol:
Translation: probably not a good idea for these companies to be able to ban people, but I'm okay with it, as long as they're only banning people I don't like.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 12, 2021 10:09:15 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, the author said that they agreed with what was done "in this case." I haven't read through the rest of the article, but on its face that implies that the author doesn't think this should be applied as some Kantian imperative.
I also hate the power that the big tech companies have over speech and that they are now the de facto gatekeepers of public discourse but there also needs to be a rubicon drawn somewhere. Free speech laws do not apply to things like incitement and defamation, so I'm totally fine with social media companies banning people for such things. However, they need to apply the rules evenly (which, of course, they never do).
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Post by robeiae on Jan 13, 2021 7:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 13, 2021 8:12:47 GMT -5
Here's Greenwald's big piece on Parler: greenwald.substack.com/p/how-silicon-valley-in-a-show-of-monopolisticFrom it: I mean, he's not wrong. And it's not like they went after Parler for monetary reasons; Parler wasn't taking away any revenues from them, at all. Oh, and look, he's echoed me: Lol. And this is absolute truth: But here's his promised bit on the relationship of Parler to the Capitol Hill riot: Yeah, that's not real string evidence. Maybe it's accurate, maybe it's not. Still, all in all he lays out some pretty compelling stuff, that this Parler takedown was all about politics, nothing more.
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Post by Optimus on Jan 13, 2021 13:04:36 GMT -5
Apparently the majority of planning of the riot was done on Facebook. But, FB doesn't have the conservative veneer rubbed all over it, so of course they're completely ignoring it and focusing instead on Parler. Again, I'm not sad to see Parler go, but this is completely about ideology and has little to do with public safety, etc. The tech companies were just biding their time to silence an ideological enemy and they've now beeen provided with the perfect time to strike.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 14, 2021 8:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by Optimus on Jan 14, 2021 12:18:19 GMT -5
Now, if only all these companies would take action against Facebook given that's where the majority of the planning happened. That won't happen, though, because the optics would be a lot less beneficial, no matter how fake the underlying motivation.
There's another Twitter-like platform called "Minds" or something like that, I think? Wonder if it will get more popular now.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 14, 2021 14:45:44 GMT -5
MySpace is still running... Or maybe Yahoo! Groups...nope, shut down. Google+ is gone, too. Oh snap, Usenet!
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Post by Optimus on Jan 14, 2021 15:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 15, 2021 8:29:12 GMT -5
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