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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 23:49:46 GMT -5
You know what worries me? One of Trump's surrogates promised if Hillary won, we'd have taco trucks on every corner. I was really excited about that. I've accepted that's not going to happen now, which is depressing enough. But what if Mexico takes back all of its taco trucks and keeps them on its side of the wall?
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 8, 2017 0:01:58 GMT -5
Tuesdays will never be the same again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 0:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by robeiae on Jan 8, 2017 8:07:01 GMT -5
Perhaps henceforth all foreign policy will be conducted via Twitter. I think you're on to something here. Not only would it assure transparency, 140 characters per agreement would also possibly make foreign policy comprehensible again. Congress should only be allowed to pass laws that fit on a tweet. Then maybe half of them would actually understand what they were voting on.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 8, 2017 11:38:14 GMT -5
I think you're on to something here. Not only would it assure transparency, 140 characters per agreement would also possibly make foreign policy comprehensible again. Congress should only be allowed to pass laws that fit on a tweet. Then maybe half of them would actually understand what they were voting on. That's optimistic.
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Post by Don on Jan 26, 2017 19:48:55 GMT -5
The $15 billion is a bad joke anyway. As this MIT Tech Review article points out, Bad Math Props Up Trump's Border Wall. Try $38 billion as a starting point instead. I also heard something about a 20% tariff on Mexican imports to make MEXICO pay for the wall. W.T.F. ?? That would mean that US purchasers of Mexican imports would be paying for the wall, not Mexico. The economic idiocy gets piled higher and deeper every day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 20:28:12 GMT -5
We could buy so many taco trucks for $38 billion.
Maybe even one for every corner.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 26, 2017 21:28:48 GMT -5
now I want a taco.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 26, 2017 21:31:51 GMT -5
Taco is Vince's trigger word.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 21:52:34 GMT -5
I could really go for a taco, too.
That's the worst part of Trump's wall. It makes me think of the taco trucks we didn't get, which immediately makes me want a taco. And right now I can't read the news without hearing about the wall.
Excuse me. I'm running out to the store for tortillas.
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Post by Christine on Jan 26, 2017 22:45:40 GMT -5
On frisbee golf courses? Don't get me wrong, I think it's a boneheaded project. But for those who believe the government can and should create jobs, this is as good a project as any other... You seem to have a lot more angst over 7 billion spent on trying to improve education than on 38 billion to be spent on a goddamned wall. I'm just saying.
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Post by Don on Jan 27, 2017 7:16:26 GMT -5
On frisbee golf courses? Don't get me wrong, I think it's a boneheaded project. But for those who believe the government can and should create jobs, this is as good a project as any other... You seem to have a lot more angst over 7 billion spent on trying to improve education than on 38 billion to be spent on a goddamned wall. I'm just saying. Oh, burn! Point to Christine . This is what happens when one is not philosophically consistent. I'm opposed to both robbing people to pay for a Wall, and to robbing people to pay for other people's education schooling indoctrination. Also, consistency requires me to point out that any belief that the government can and should create jobs is delusional, and those who hold such beliefs should be regarded no differently than flat-earthers. The. Science. Is. Settled.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 27, 2017 7:37:49 GMT -5
1) I don't believe the government is supposed to create jobs and I don't believe that it does create jobs, apart from government jobs of course.
2) As to angst, I'll have plenty if we actually spend $38 billion on a wall. But it won't be the same sort of angst. The feds throwing money at something like education to "try to improve it" has been going on for DECADES. And it's flushing money down the toilet, more often than not. At least when you build a wall or a frisbee gold course, there's something concrete after it's over, that can be named after a politiican or the like...
Don't tell me I'm not consistent, Don. I'm more consistent than you are...
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Post by Don on Jan 27, 2017 8:16:23 GMT -5
1) I don't believe the government is supposed to create jobs and I don't believe that it does create jobs, apart from government jobs of course. 2) As to angst, I'll have plenty if we actually spend $38 billion on a wall. But it won't be the same sort of angst. The feds throwing money at something like education to "try to improve it" has been going on for DECADES. And it's flushing money down the toilet, more often than not. At least when you build a wall or a frisbee gold course, there's something concrete after it's over, that can be named after a politiican or the like... Don't tell me I'm not consistent, Don. I'm more consistent than you are... 1) I know you don't believe either of those things either. Where we differ is I've decided I'll no longer allow people to hide behind false beliefs when the facts plainly contradict those beliefs, nor will I mollycoddle them by creating fictional scenarios that would play out if only Unicorns Farting Rainbows were real. Facts and opinions are not equal, and it's time that those who deal in facts quit being nice and pretending they just might be. That's how we ended up with Trump. 2) Wasted resources are wasted. Another place where The. Science. Is. Settled. The primary difference between these two supremely wasteful examples is that one day in the future, even more resources will have to be wasted to tear down miles and miles of ridiculous walls. Building The Wall TM is, in the long run, even more wasteful than having people dig holes and immediately fill them back in.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 27, 2017 8:45:58 GMT -5
I disagree. It's not more wasteful. Again, it's just a different sort of waste.
And again, we've haven't wasted $38 billion on the wall, yet. We've wasted far more than $7 billion--that number is just on SIG grants across the last eight years--on education initiatives. We're currently wasting a boatload more at state and local levels, as well. And there's no party lines on this; after all, Bush did sign NCLB into law with a fair amount or Repub support.
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