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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 22:43:57 GMT -5
I'm thinking we should do a whole line of Trump toys and party supplies.
The Trump action figure with accessories should prove especially popular.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 31, 2017 7:09:47 GMT -5
All that said, I don't like the way things are going with Trump right now (mostly). But there's a shit ton of people who do. Some of that chaos--which involves ending the "this is the way things have always been done" mantra--is exactly why they voted for Trump, exactly why he won imo. Wait, so you're saying Trump is issuing executive orders because Obama did, and that's chickens coming to roost, and yet people were sick of the way things were being done, and Trump's way is somehow novel? Also, please explain "mostly." What things has Trump done so far that you like? I'm saying Obama pushed the envelope with EOs. Obama assumed powers he didn't have, and that set the table for someone like Trump to push the envelope even farther. Back when Bush was President, there was an awful lot of talk about consolidating power in the executive branch. Almost all of that talk was from the left. Then Obama was elected and not only did he maintain what Bush had done, he went even farther. Predictably, Bush's critics lost their voices almost over night (while Obama got a new crop of critics who were nowhere to be seen during the Bush years). And gee, look what's happening now... As to what Trump has done, I don't have a problem with all of his appointments. I don't have a problem with him letting some of sweet and sour shrimp crowd at Sate hit the bricks (if there's any branch of government desperately in need of a house cleaning, it's State). There's other stuff, too. You know, having an actual working memory has its advantages, because I do remember Obama's early days in office, I do remember him appointing some clods, and I do remember him promising all kinds of things--like transparency--then proceeding to ram through a monster spending bill--the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act--without giving anyone, even the people voting on it, a chance to read it. And for that matter, I also remember Bush coming to office as a "compassionate conservative," then quickly taking us into two wars, pushing through the Patriot Act, and abandoning fiscal conservatism like a bad habit in short order. So I'll just wait a bit more before jumping on the outrage train. ETA: Heh, I actually found someone who agrees with me to some extent: www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/01/drilling_down_on_a_crazy_government_trumo_cant_be.html
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Post by Don on Jan 31, 2017 8:22:43 GMT -5
"If all your friends jumped off a cliff..."
The fact that Every. Single. Frikkin'. RegimeLord. does it means jack shit.
Just perhaps, more consistent outrage is a better prescription??
I'm every bit as disgusted with so-called "conservatives" supporting this jack-booted thug's actions as I was with so-called "progressives" supporting the last's.
The most promising news IMO is that more people question and resist the so-called legitimacy of the whole scheme every day. And more people ignore it and do as they please.
See also: the rise of the sharing economy, declining party membership and voting, and the collapse of pot prohibition.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 31, 2017 8:30:00 GMT -5
I think in Trump's case that the best prescription is to give him enough rope to hang himself, something he will most assuredly do imo.
But as it is now, with every single thing getting jumped on, with non-stop protesting, that's not going to happen. One needs more than an inch to make a proper noose.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 31, 2017 8:42:47 GMT -5
The constant attention also hastens burn out. I'm already reaching my meh point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 8:47:51 GMT -5
Well, that's largely a result of how much shit he's done as soon as the gun goes off (even before). In common with many people, I'm not willing to stand by and whistle while he does things I find deplorable.
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Post by Don on Jan 31, 2017 9:27:23 GMT -5
Trump seems intent on providing rope by the yard. An inch a week will accumulate rapidly.
Trump's finest contribution to the future is exposing the insanity of the old ways. From that perspective, he's doing a bang-up job. The massive coverage of the protests is financed by old media; old, dumb money seeking to maintain the divisiveness necessary to protect those old ways. Meanwhile, young "liberals" are driving for Uber and Lyft, and "conservatives" are renting them vacation rooms with AirBnB. It's harder to hate when you've shared a ride or a room. I suspect we'll see the most grassroots support for those protests, like the current one, where individual lives are being trampled by the stupidity of the state. When the Pope, Dick Cheney, Hollywood and Rand Paul are on the same side, and in opposition to individual oppression, something's in the wind. Trump's a great ruler to accelerate that trend.
That said, I think The smart money's on finding ways to monkey wrench the political system, not fighting over who commands it. Waiting for that system to offer an opportunity for society to regain control is waiting for Godot. Society is already evolving at a rate that insures loss of control by the ruling class in the long run. Protests covered as major news while block chain technology is relegated to obscurity is just one fine example of the dinosaurs pretending the asteroid doesn't exist. Everywhere one cares to look, people are creating the future, yet according to old media, the battle is over who controls the ways of the past.
That said, Trump's "kill two regs for every new one" is the second recognition of the future I've seen from the ruling class. The first was his direction that the ACA be interpreted in favor of the individual. Whether he's pandering to his base or sees the handwriting on the wall is both unknown and unimportant.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 31, 2017 9:42:43 GMT -5
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