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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:15:02 GMT -5
I have to say, I didn't think it would be good, but I didn't think it would really be this bad this soon. And it has only been a week. I'm well into "FFS, it's a goddamn disaster", and deeply worried about the future.
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Post by Don on Jan 29, 2017 20:18:14 GMT -5
I'm only watching the news now to figure out how much food and ammo to stockpile.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 29, 2017 20:50:59 GMT -5
I have no opinion at this time. I'll wait the 100 days.
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Post by Don on Jan 29, 2017 20:56:41 GMT -5
I have no opinion at this time. I'll wait the 100 days. Optimist, are you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:59:33 GMT -5
oh, I'm awaiting the 100 day mark, too...
*stockpiles canned tuna, peanut butter, and bottled water* *nails boards over windows*
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 29, 2017 21:48:14 GMT -5
I have no opinion at this time. I'll wait the 100 days. Optimist, are you? More along the line of caution. I didn't expect him to be nominated, nor get elected. I was wrong twice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 21:53:05 GMT -5
Caution dictates stocking up on tuna and peanut butter, RT.
Also note, by the way, that the poll question isn't "how do you think Trump will perform in future", but rather was directed at what people thought of the events this first week. Me, I'm usually fairly relaxed during a first week -- I might not like all the president's cabinet appointments and such, but usually I don't find it all that intense. This week. though, was pretty intense. The ban that (deliberately!) swept in legal residents with valid green cards sent me right over the edge.
I'll admit that the event of this first week made me pretty damn apprehensive about the rest of Trump's presidency, but regardless of how it shapes up eventually, I thought this week was a mess.
I wish I thought he'd take away a lesson from it -- that it's better to think through policies and vet them before implementing them -- but I don't think he learned any such thing.
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Post by robeiae on Jan 30, 2017 8:11:38 GMT -5
I dunno. I'm somewhat surprised how much he's done or tried to do. He was elected by people because he promised to d x, y, z; he's trying to do x, y, x. I may be unhappy about x and y, though somewhat indifferent to z, but there's something to be said for actually following through. I'll give him a little more time til I condemn him. After all, I gave Obama til February 17th, and I voted for that turkey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 10:29:01 GMT -5
In this instance, I don't see "keeping his promises" as a good thing, since I felt so many of his promises were fucked up.
The promises he's kept are by and large the ones I hoped he didn't mean; moreover, he's implemented them rashly and thoughtlessly, which I wouldn't like even if I liked the general idea behind the policies.
I spent a fair bit of time before the election and in the immediately aftermath telling many friends that he wouldn't be as bad as they feared and am now eating my words.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 30, 2017 12:50:24 GMT -5
Like Rob said, he did campaign on this stuff.
He's also trying to run the country like his own corporation. Executive Orders all the way. He's not even pretending to try and get anything past through legislation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 12:58:00 GMT -5
Yes. The fact that he kept his promise to be an utter asshole does not make me feel he's doing a great job. Deep down, I hoped he wouldn't keep that promise.
If he promised to kill puppies his first day in office, would you consider it a great thing that he kept the promise?
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Post by robeiae on Jan 30, 2017 15:53:26 GMT -5
Well, no one is going to get elected with a promise to kill puppies.
Regardless, I submit that the only way that Trump could possibly be doing an excellent job--for people with your mindset, Cass--is if he was purposefully not doing any of the things he said he would, if he was in fact reversing himself completely on multiple fronts. Yet if he was doing that, he'd be roundly condemned as a matter of course. Right?
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Post by Christine on Jan 30, 2017 16:10:33 GMT -5
Wrong. He'd have the approval of 3 million more people than he has now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:30:58 GMT -5
Well, no one is going to get elected with a promise to kill puppies. Regardless, I submit that the only way that Trump could possibly be doing an excellent job--for people with your mindset, Cass--is if he was purposefully not doing any of the things he said he would, if he was in fact reversing himself completely on multiple fronts. Yet if he was doing that, he'd be roundly condemned as a matter of course. Right? Yes, that is the only way he'd be doing an excellent job. That's not because he's conservative so much as because he made so many promises I thought were batshit, crappy ideas. If he were simply moving towards implementing more conservative economic policies, selecting qualified conservatives for his cabinet, and quietly forgetting about shit like his Muslim ban and Mexican wall, weren't executing so many ill-thought-out executive orders and stranding legal residents of the U.S. all over the world, he could earn a satisfactory (better than expected) and/or a "I'll wait and see." If Jeb or Kasich were president now, I've no doubt that's how it would be going, and I wouldn't be so fucking disgusted right now. I might not be thrilled, either, but there's a fair shot I might like at least some of what they were doing, and at any rate, I don't think they'd be implementing it so rashly and with so little thought. I'm also pretty certain they'd have carefully vetted, qualified cabinet appointees, whom I might not love, but wouldn't be able to scoff at. Instead, Trump is ramming down the parts of his pre-election ranting I found least palatable, making dubious (at best) appointments, and creating chaos. I'm moderate on the economic side. I've got a distinct libertarian streak on many issues. A moderate conservative would not freak me out. Trump does.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 30, 2017 16:47:14 GMT -5
Nobody should be able to issue so many far sweeping executive orders as he's done in 1 week and call himself a conservative. He's not. Not that I ever thought he was.
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