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Post by robeiae on Aug 28, 2017 10:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by mikey on Aug 28, 2017 11:45:20 GMT -5
Its about time these antifa/anarchist thugs violent tactics begin to get major media attention. How long do you think we'll need to wait to have groups like BLM and the other 20,000 protesters, to denounce these bad apples? My opinion? it wont happen for at least another month. Until then, rage on.
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Post by Vince524 on Aug 28, 2017 11:50:44 GMT -5
Yeah, the outrage factor on this needs to be turned way up. These kind of idiots have it in their head that their righteous cause gives them carte blanche to so what they want.
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Post by celawson on Aug 28, 2017 12:07:29 GMT -5
I am so glad my daughter isn't at Berkeley. But we have close friends whose daughter is beginning freshman year there. I hope she stays far away from any of these protests. So.......many people, including myself, said Trump should have more strongly denounced the Nazis immediately, otherwise he can take partial blame for any emboldened behavior the white supremacists begin to demonstrate. And I still agree with that sentiment. However, in the same way, these Antifa thugs have been given a lot of leeway for too long simply because they "say" they're against hate and fascism. And I think they're emboldened. They largely received a pass at Charlottesville, even though it appeared in plenty of video clips (and in the long well-done news report by Vice News linked by nighttimer recently) that Antifa were instigating violence. They clearly use violence. They beat people up at will. They pepper spray people. They throw urine on cops. They destroy property. They use fascist tactics. It's terrible. And why do they wear masks? Their chant at Berkeley yesterday was "No Trump. No Wall. No U.S.A at all!" Um.... So I do hope that they receive the backlash they are due, and I hope people of higher moral standards and better impulse control help bring our society back to a place where we can more calmly discuss political differences, and squelch hate, in a more peaceful way.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 30, 2017 15:34:20 GMT -5
Just wondering if Mel Gibson is the Gibson of the story you quoted because Mad Mel has a checkered past of saying stupid, hateful, sexist, racist, bigoted shit. Its about time these antifa/anarchist thugs violent tactics begin to get major media attention. How long do you think we'll need to wait to have groups like BLM and the other 20,000 protesters, to denounce these bad apples? My opinion? it wont happen for at least another month. Until then, rage on. Why should Black Lives Matter denounce the antifa? Did you demand the Republican National Committee denounce the White supremacists after Charlottesville? Yeah, the outrage factor on this needs to be turned way up. These kind of idiots have it in their head that their righteous cause gives them carte blanche to so what they want. Mmm...I'm guessing no, they DON'T. The Antifa is a reaction---an overreaction---to a far more virulent and vicious provocation by the ed Alt-Right/White. The so-called "outrage factor" is focused on effects more than it is the cause. I am so glad my daughter isn't at Berkeley. But we have close friends whose daughter is beginning freshman year there. I hope she stays far away from any of these protests. So.......many people, including myself, said Trump should have more strongly denounced the Nazis immediately, otherwise he can take partial blame for any emboldened behavior the white supremacists begin to demonstrate. And I still agree with that sentiment. However, in the same way, these Antifa thugs have been given a lot of leeway for too long simply because they "say" they're against hate and fascism. And I think they're emboldened. They largely received a pass at Charlottesville, even though it appeared in plenty of video clips (and in the long well-done news report by Vice News linked by nighttimer recently) that Antifa were instigating violence. They clearly use violence. They beat people up at will. They pepper spray people. They throw urine on cops. They destroy property. They use fascist tactics. It's terrible. And why do they wear masks? Their chant at Berkeley yesterday was "No Trump. No Wall. No U.S.A at all!" Um.... So I do hope that they receive the backlash they are due, and I hope people of higher moral standards and better impulse control help bring our society back to a place where we can more calmly discuss political differences, and squelch hate, in a more peaceful way. Okay. I'll call you on that. I'm pretty sure...no, strike that...I'm absolutely CERTAIN if I post a link to a story about the antia thugs/idiots/anarchist thugs/douchebags most of those posting here and those reading here won't read it. Mostly because they have already made up their mind nothing can be said about the antifa which could compel them to believe they aren't just as bad as the Nazis, skinheads and Klansmen they proclaim to oppose or worse because they won't even let Nazis, skinheads and Klansmen Oh well, nothing beats a try but a fail. There is a new generation of angry activists liberally spiced among them some of the same old anarchists, Socialists, communists and other rabble-rousers who gravitated to the civil rights marches and anti-war protestors. You can no more filter out extremists who attach themselves to just causes than you can the acceptable amount of mouse excrement in your jar of Jiffy peanut butter. Many liberals are loudly decrying and denouncing the antifa and view them a corrosive nuisance that makes legitimate groups and protests seem less so. That's probably true. It's hard to make any headway chanting "people united can never be defeated" when the only thing the media is pumping into homes across America are antifa types being bleeped as they curse out cops and spew not only epithets but spittle at police. To be sure, it's not a good look for the Left. But that's a side-effect of Trumpism and the rise of the racist Right. The pushback against it is easily as passionate in its unbridled hate for the other side and less reluctant to push buttons and throw rocks to make their point. Hate tends to push out love and breed more hate. Thus we have a predictably vicious cycle and where it stops, and how bad it gets and who else gets hurt or worse, nobody knows.
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Post by mikey on Aug 30, 2017 17:18:08 GMT -5
Hey Nighttimer Glad you made your position clear on this antifa matter. I'm sure they appreciate your support.
If you and or BLM are okay with these white boys dressing in black-face and rampaging through right leaning groups assaulting, throwing feces and urine on people, vandalizing buildings, rioting through streets, then hey, rage-on my man.
My self? I find it disgusting. Regardless the color the chose to wear while doing their dirt.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 30, 2017 19:38:35 GMT -5
Hey Nighttimer Glad you made your position clear on this antifa matter. I'm sure they appreciate your support. If you and or BLM are okay with these white boys dressing in black-face and rampaging through right leaning groups assaulting, throwing feces and urine on people, vandalizing buildings, rioting through streets, then hey, rage-on my man. My self? I find it disgusting. Regardless the color the chose to wear while doing their dirt. Hey, Mikey. Apparently, my position wasn't clear enough for you if you think I'm 100 percent supportive of anti-Fascists right down the line. Perhaps your reading comprehension is marred by an irrational dislike of young people who hate Klansmen and Nazis? A pity. Not a surprise. I don't speak for Black Lives Matter. I speak only for me and I'm nobody's spokesperson. Now by some cosmic coincidence should our reflective positions coincide and align, I can only applaud their critical thinking skills instead of merely reading into something complex something simplistic, knee-jerk, and wrong. And frankly, what you find disgusting doesn't matter much to me since I find White boys who are White supremacists, Nazis and racist scumbags far more disgusting. Which explains why some of us focus on the forest instead of getting bent about a tree. Sorry, but not surprised if the metaphor sailed right over your reactionary head. Black Lives Matter is in response to Black Lives being taken by cops. The Anti-Fascists are a left-wing extremist reaction to right-wing extremists and a reactionary POTUS who calls the "very fine people." Nazis aren't fine. Klansmen aren't fine. And neither are their enabling apologists. That is what is actually disgusting.
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Post by mikey on Aug 30, 2017 23:19:17 GMT -5
Hey Nighttimer Glad you made your position clear on this antifa matter. I'm sure they appreciate your support. If you and or BLM are okay with these white boys dressing in black-face and rampaging through right leaning groups assaulting, throwing feces and urine on people, vandalizing buildings, rioting through streets, then hey, rage-on my man. My self? I find it disgusting. Regardless the color they chose to wear while doing their dirt. Hey, Mikey. Apparently, my position wasn't clear enough for you if you think I'm 100 percent supportive of anti-Fascists right down the line. Perhaps your reading comprehension is marred by an irrational dislike of young people who hate Klansmen and Nazis? So if I'm understanding you correctly nighttimer, you are in full agreement with president Trump when he says It's kinda hard keeping up with the moving goal post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 23:33:29 GMT -5
Hey, Mikey. Apparently, my position wasn't clear enough for you if you think I'm 100 percent supportive of anti-Fascists right down the line. Perhaps your reading comprehension is marred by an irrational dislike of young people who hate Klansmen and Nazis? So if I'm understanding you correctly nighttimer, you are in full agreement with president Trump when he says It's kinda hard keeping up with the moving goal post. He's not moving the goal post, as far as I can see.
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Post by Angie on Aug 31, 2017 2:34:30 GMT -5
He's not moving the goal post at all. While I obviously don't speak for nighttimer, it seems to me he's saying 1) Don't paint an entire movement with the same brush as a few among them, and 2) While not condoning the violence of those few, there are reasons for what they do.
We wouldn't have antifa in the news right now if it weren't for Nazis and white supremacists being emboldened by a president's rhetoric. Do I agree with the violence? No. But I can see where it comes from - and that it's a reaction to a history of violence from the other side.
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Post by robeiae on Aug 31, 2017 7:43:10 GMT -5
The antifa clowns strike me as basically the same sorts as the anarchist clowns who show up from time to time, in the same basic outfits and behaving in the same basic way. True, they probably wouldn't be in the news right now if it wasn't for the white supremacists showing their disgusting faces, but I think it's giving the antifas too much credit to suppose they're reactionary. They're just using the "anti-fascist" pseudo-ideology as an excuse to behave badly, by and large (imo).
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Post by Vince524 on Aug 31, 2017 11:43:37 GMT -5
To be clear, anyone with a Nazi flag (Unless their in a rival of Sound of Music or an Indian Jones movie) should be condemned before they physically attack anyone. Same goes with Klan, white supremists, etc.
One can make a case that there's an anti white movement of sorts. If one feels that way, make the case, without standing under the flag of racist scum who torture and murder innocents.
But it does seem to me that some of the antics on the left are way over the line. We've all been in that place where you're face to face with someone who says something so stupid and insensitive you want to punch them. You can't do that. And the rhetoric on the antifa side is not helping any cause.
I can be against both groups.
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Post by mikey on Aug 31, 2017 11:56:44 GMT -5
I can be against both groups. Totally agree Vince. I'll add that one dose not have to be an apologist for ether side to condemn each.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 31, 2017 13:14:00 GMT -5
Hey, Mikey. Apparently, my position wasn't clear enough for you if you think I'm 100 percent supportive of anti-Fascists right down the line. Perhaps your reading comprehension is marred by an irrational dislike of young people who hate Klansmen and Nazis? So if I'm understanding you correctly nighttimer, you are in full agreement with president Trump when he says It's kinda hard keeping up with the moving goal post. Since I don't believe anyone on this board is stupid, I choose instead to believe you're being deliberately obtuse.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 31, 2017 14:47:11 GMT -5
The antifa clowns strike me as basically the same sorts as the anarchist clowns who show up from time to time, in the same basic outfits and behaving in the same basic way. True, they probably wouldn't be in the news right now if it wasn't for the white supremacists showing their disgusting faces, but I think it's giving the antifas too much credit to suppose they're reactionary. They're just using the "anti-fascist" pseudo-ideology as an excuse to behave badly, by and large (imo). To be clear, anyone with a Nazi flag (Unless their in a rival of Sound of Music or an Indian Jones movie) should be condemned before they physically attack anyone. Same goes with Klan, white supremists, etc. One can make a case that there's an anti white movement of sorts. If one feels that way, make the case, without standing under the flag of racist scum who torture and murder innocents. But it does seem to me that some of the antics on the left are way over the line. We've all been in that place where you're face to face with someone who says something so stupid and insensitive you want to punch them. You can't do that. And the rhetoric on the antifa side is not helping any cause. I can be against both groups. I can be against both groups. Totally agree Vince. I'll add that one dose not have to be an apologist for ether side to condemn each. This is really sad. Do you guys spend any time researching or learning anything about those you denounce so viciously or just lock the TV remote on Faux News and throw it away? The bad behavior of the anti-Fascists is matched by the lack of critical thinking by their carping critics and the false equivalency is pathetic. Here's a visual aid. THIS IS HOW YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANTIFA AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS. There's a vast difference between The Left being "way over the line" and The Right totally obliterating the line. It wasn't the Anti-Fascists who damn near beat Deandre Harris to death with poles or who weaponized a car in Charlottesville killing Heather Heyer. Too bad you three don't seem to know (or care) about the difference. Maybe this might help you to figure it out, though I'm sure it won't because that would require you not simply to believe Antifa and Black Lives Matter are equally as bad as the KKK and Nazis, but to think about why that is. It seems to be a truly troublesome thing for some conservatives to think instead of merely believe.
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