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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 11:17:11 GMT -5
The use of pussy in James Bond films was certainly intended to hint broadly at female genitalia, but come on -- the James Bond books and movies are sexist as hell. And I say that as someone who enjoys them nonetheless. I do wince at the name "Pussy Galore", though -- as do others. Fun fact: "Octopussy" in the original Fleming short story by that name was an actual octopus, not a woman. /derail And of course, when he's around attractive women, Trump often bears more resemblance to an octopus than to a man, so it all comes full circle.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 27, 2017 13:19:36 GMT -5
Fun fact: "Octopussy" in the original Fleming short story by that name was an actual octopus, not a woman. /derail And of course, when he's around attractive women, Trump often bears more resemblance to an octopus than to a man, so it all comes full circle. You've just insulted a lot of octopuses. (Octopussi?)
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Post by robeiae on Jan 27, 2017 15:22:15 GMT -5
The use of pussy in James Bond films was certainly intended to hint broadly at female genitalia, but come on -- the James Bond books and movies are sexist as hell. And I say that as someone who enjoys them nonetheless. I do wince at the name "Pussy Galore", though -- as do others. Fun fact: "Octopussy" in the original Fleming short story by that name was an actual octopus, not a woman. /derail True. And it's not a derail. Fleming wrote Goldfinger in the late 50's. "Pussy" wasn't commonly a vulgar term in England at that time. It was a nickname for girls/young women not unlike kitten or even kitty, and if memory serves, Fleming knew a real-life Pussy. The use of Pussy in the movie is a different story. Of course, the book is still horribly sexist, especially since Pussy is a lesbian who--of course--still can't resist James Bond.
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Post by Amadan on Jan 27, 2017 15:31:30 GMT -5
Here that, Cass? Neener neener, you lost, pussyhats won. Katha Pollit at the Nation said so. She also says critiques of identity politics are over. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 15:38:08 GMT -5
Really? Were most of the millions of women marching wearing pink pussy hats? It sure didn't look like it. Looked like it was a pretty small percentage. If exactly the same number of women turned out for the march, but not one of them was wearing a pink pussy hat, would the march have failed to enrage Trump? Failed to garner press? Failed to have been powerful? I maintain it wouldn't have been even a bit less effective if none of the women wore pink hats. If, alternatively, there had been no march, but the same number of women walked about their business wearing pink pussy hats, would it be anything but a wee little blip on social media? It was the march that was powerful, not the hats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 15:39:09 GMT -5
Here that, Cass? Neener neener, you lost, pussyhats won. Katha Pollit at the Nation said so. She also says critiques of identity politics are over. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 15:58:03 GMT -5
I cannot help but wonder what the reaction would be if a black person opined that he found "nigger" offensive and did not like attempts to "reclaim" it -- and I scoffed, said that person was being precious, and cited to someone at The Nation who approved of the word as evidence that person was wrong...
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Post by Amadan on Jan 27, 2017 16:28:05 GMT -5
You say you can but talk is cheap and you haven't. To be clear, you are requesting (or, I suppose to be more accurate, daring) me to offer a list of racial slurs that can function as double-entendres? It means that when you claim the only black people you know who use the word are young and/or hip-hop artists, I have differing experience. The whole point of this sidetrack was that you were claiming that "pussy" is perfectly respectable and acceptable for reclamation, while "nigger" is not. All you offered was your personal anecdata. If I have no "authenticity" to speak about whether or not black people can reclaim "nigger" just because I know some black people, then I suggest that you are similarly in no position to speak about whether or not women can reclaim the word "pussy" just because you know some women. Maybe I'll ask them about this one guy I know online who claims to speak for black people and can judge my authenticity, and whether they've heard of him. It was my characterization of your post, which smacked very much of "Take that! This female disagrees with you so how do you like them pussyhats?" It was, in short, a "neener neener" post.
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Post by Christine on Jan 27, 2017 19:40:16 GMT -5
Isn't it great that people can use/reclaim whatever words they want to, and other people can express their opinions, be they positive or negative, on said use/reclamation?
And then, other people can express their opinions on those opinions, and then other people can express their opinions of the opinions on those opinions.
God, I fucking love America so much right now.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 27, 2017 19:49:51 GMT -5
Good, because if you had said I love fucking America so much right now... I'd suspect you were Donald Trump gaslighting us.
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Post by Vince524 on Jan 27, 2017 19:57:57 GMT -5
Well, yeah but now it's nigga or nig, afaik. I've never heard anyone using niggER in a positive way. Unless we figure out a way to have subtitles in real life, which might be useful, I don't know if someone saying the word would always be clear on which one they're saying. Or if someone meant to use the less offensive one, but people insisted they used the more offensive one. Personally, that's one of those words that I just don't use, even in the context of talking about it here. The C word is the other big one.
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Post by Christine on Jan 27, 2017 20:45:10 GMT -5
Well, yeah but now it's nigga or nig, afaik. I've never heard anyone using niggER in a positive way. Unless we figure out a way to have subtitles in real life, which might be useful, I don't know if someone saying the word would always be clear on which one they're saying. Or if someone meant to use the less offensive one, but people insisted they used the more offensive one. Dude, you're white. You are correct to not use any version, ever.
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Post by Christine on Jan 27, 2017 20:49:40 GMT -5
Good, because if you had said I love fucking America so much right now... I'd suspect you were Donald Trump gaslighting us. That's what I meant. Loser! Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 20:57:02 GMT -5
Unless we figure out a way to have subtitles in real life, which might be useful, I don't know if someone saying the word would always be clear on which one they're saying. Or if someone meant to use the less offensive one, but people insisted they used the more offensive one. Dude, you're white. You are correct to not use any version, ever. Agree. I would never use it, except in a discussion such as this one or when quoting, say, "Huckleberry Finn." Do you suppose I can convince men not to use "pussy"? I'm thinking our poissant hats are about the only real way to discourage it.
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Post by Christine on Jan 27, 2017 21:07:38 GMT -5
Well yeah, that's the gist of "reclaiming" a word. It's historically been degrading. Those not affected by the degradation need not apply.
Obviously, in personal relationships, MMV. I have been known to say to my black son, "Whassup my nigga?" (a special affection that is ours and ours alone--it would take hundreds of words to properly explain) but I would never say it to anyone else.
Also, if a female friend uses the word "pussy," it doesn't bother me. If my son were to use it? Oh HELL no.
These are Teh Rulez.
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