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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 8:15:39 GMT -5
I'm speechless. Just speechless. This is OUR PRESIDENT. It would be juvenile, vindictive, petty, and obnoxious out of a reality TV star. Out of our president?
This is what he is doing while he should be running our country. I'm sorry, our fucking president shouldn't have time for this shit. He shouldn't even be thinking it, much less sitting down and tweeting it.
I'm thoroughly humiliated to be an American these days. I want out.
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Post by michaelw on Jun 29, 2017 8:36:01 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the tweet about Amazon not paying internet taxes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 8:46:39 GMT -5
Heh. Yeah, that was a beauty. There must have been a piece on "internet taxes" in Breitbart that day.
The trouble with Trump's whacko tweets is that they are SO whacko and SO thick on the ground that you almost can't go batshit about every one of them that thoroughly deserves it. A staggering number are false, vicious, petty, ill-informed, or just plain whacked, and more of them come out literally every day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 9:55:24 GMT -5
This crap on Twitter? This is Trump "unfiltered," to use his own word, without smarter, more savvy, or more civilized advisors in the way.
This is WHO HE IS. This is HOW HE THINKS. This is who his defenders are defending.
This is our goddamn President.
I am quite seriously distraught and outraged that we have come to this. If this is what America is about (and I increasingly fear it is), I want out.
ETA:
I have to wonder: the people cheering him on for (or turning a blind eye to) this behavior -- how do they teach their kids not to behave like this? Or don't they?
If my ten year old niece tweeted something like this about someone she is mad at, she'd get a serious talking-to from aunt Cass. If I had a child who did so, they'd be grounded or have to do extra chores. But here we have the President doing so regularly, as well as outright lying with no repercussions. It's hard enough explaining that to a kid if you are condemning Trump. How does one explain it if you are apologizing for it?
And how do all his alleged Christian supporters square it with Jesus's teachings?
I may need to take a politics and news break for a bit -- at least a couple of days. I'm just disgusted. Tomorrow is my birthday and I'd like to make it a serene day.
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 29, 2017 11:30:22 GMT -5
Makes you miss Covfefe, don't it?
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Post by robeiae on Jun 29, 2017 11:37:20 GMT -5
This crap on Twitter? This is Trump "unfiltered," to use his own word, without smarter, more savvy, or more civilized advisors in the way. This is WHO HE IS. This is HOW HE THINKS. Of course it is. That's apparent to anyone who has ever paid any attention to Trump's antics across the last several decades. It's exactly the stuff I expect from him. Sure, I hoped he might moderate his behavior when he actually won the Presidency, but I never thought that would be likely. So he is what he is, unfortunately. And the people who voted for him, who support him, are what they are. Whether they're just fooling themselves in this regard, whether they honestly like this crap from Trump, or whether they realize how bad this is but are willing to put up with it because of other reasons, it doesn't much matter at this point in time. He's unlikely to stop, unless of course everyone stopped criticizing him and started complimenting him (which of course will never happen). But imo, this goes back to what I said during the election: one can choose to either follow Trump into the gutter or not (especially on social media), and I think that choosing to follow him down only gives him more power, only encourages him. And I think a lot of otherwise smart people know this, yet they can't help themselves. To make an example of you, Cass, I'm pretty sure I saw a tweet from you to Trump along the lines of "what the fuck is wrong with you." Did you think better of it and delete it? Apologies if I have this wrong. Regardless, there are people saying such things--and worse--to Trump on twitter, specifically tweeting these things to Trump. As awful as he is, he's still the POTUS. And saying such things isn't accomplishing anything. It is--imo, anyway--only empowering Trump and his defenders. Sometimes--usually, in fact--the high road is really hard. And that sucks.
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Post by Vince524 on Jun 29, 2017 11:48:08 GMT -5
Yeah part of the issue is so many went so bat crap crazy since Trump got in that those in his corner just tune out any and all critics and it's becoming white noise. I don't think anyone here has done that, to be clear.
People need to save their outrage for when it counts the most.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 12:09:54 GMT -5
This crap on Twitter? This is Trump "unfiltered," to use his own word, without smarter, more savvy, or more civilized advisors in the way. This is WHO HE IS. This is HOW HE THINKS. Of course it is. That's apparent to anyone who has ever paid any attention to Trump's antics across the last several decades. It's exactly the stuff I expect from him. Sure, I hoped he might moderate his behavior when he actually won the Presidency, but I never thought that would be likely. So he is what he is, unfortunately. And the people who voted for him, who support him, are what they are. Whether they're just fooling themselves in this regard, whether they honestly like this crap from Trump, or whether they realize how bad this is but are willing to put up with it because of other reasons, it doesn't much matter at this point in time. He's unlikely to stop, unless of course everyone stopped criticizing him and started complimenting him (which of course will never happen). But imo, this goes back to what I said during the election: one can choose to either follow Trump into the gutter or not (especially on social media), and I think that choosing to follow him down only gives him more power, only encourages him. And I think a lot of otherwise smart people know this, yet they can't help themselves. To make an example of you, Cass, I'm pretty sure I saw a tweet from you to Trump along the lines of "what the fuck is wrong with you." Did you think better of it and delete it? Apologies if I have this wrong. Regardless, there are people saying such things--and worse--to Trump on twitter, specifically tweeting these things to Trump. As awful as he is, he's still the POTUS. And saying such things isn't accomplishing anything. It is--imo, anyway--only empowering Trump and his defenders. Sometimes--usually, in fact--the high road is really hard. And that sucks. 1) I'm not the president nor am I even a public figure. and yes, that matters a lot. 2)" WTF is wrong with you" is IMO an appropriate response to that post out of our president. 3) I actually deleted my post within 5 minutes (perhaps within 2 minutes) because I thought better if it. unlike our president. 4) don't we have a rule about dragging in stuff from other sites? I own the post and I don't care, but...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 12:13:36 GMT -5
Makes you miss Covfefe, don't it? oh, Vince. I miss covfefe.
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Post by Amadan on Jun 29, 2017 12:57:48 GMT -5
Of course it is. That's apparent to anyone who has ever paid any attention to Trump's antics across the last several decades. It's exactly the stuff I expect from him. Sure, I hoped he might moderate his behavior when he actually won the Presidency, but I never thought that would be likely. So he is what he is, unfortunately. And the people who voted for him, who support him, are what they are. Whether they're just fooling themselves in this regard, whether they honestly like this crap from Trump, or whether they realize how bad this is but are willing to put up with it because of other reasons, it doesn't much matter at this point in time. He's unlikely to stop, unless of course everyone stopped criticizing him and started complimenting him (which of course will never happen). But imo, this goes back to what I said during the election: one can choose to either follow Trump into the gutter or not (especially on social media), and I think that choosing to follow him down only gives him more power, only encourages him. And I think a lot of otherwise smart people know this, yet they can't help themselves. To make an example of you, Cass, I'm pretty sure I saw a tweet from you to Trump along the lines of "what the fuck is wrong with you." Did you think better of it and delete it? Apologies if I have this wrong. Regardless, there are people saying such things--and worse--to Trump on twitter, specifically tweeting these things to Trump. As awful as he is, he's still the POTUS. And saying such things isn't accomplishing anything. It is--imo, anyway--only empowering Trump and his defenders. Sometimes--usually, in fact--the high road is really hard. And that sucks. ... I mean, sure, swearing at the President on Twitter is not exactly "taking the high road." But your equivocation is just ridiculous. Taking the high road because it's more effective is legitimate. But just asserting as a moral principle that one should always take the high road ignores the fact that politeness and etiquette serve a purpose, they are not an end in themselves. And sometimes, the situation calls for impolitic responses. I'm not saying profane Tweets are it, or that they accomplish anything. But enough of this bullshit tut-tutting at people who are rude to someone who is in the process of setting shit on fire.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 29, 2017 13:11:39 GMT -5
Of course it is. That's apparent to anyone who has ever paid any attention to Trump's antics across the last several decades. It's exactly the stuff I expect from him. Sure, I hoped he might moderate his behavior when he actually won the Presidency, but I never thought that would be likely. So he is what he is, unfortunately. And the people who voted for him, who support him, are what they are. Whether they're just fooling themselves in this regard, whether they honestly like this crap from Trump, or whether they realize how bad this is but are willing to put up with it because of other reasons, it doesn't much matter at this point in time. He's unlikely to stop, unless of course everyone stopped criticizing him and started complimenting him (which of course will never happen). But imo, this goes back to what I said during the election: one can choose to either follow Trump into the gutter or not (especially on social media), and I think that choosing to follow him down only gives him more power, only encourages him. And I think a lot of otherwise smart people know this, yet they can't help themselves. To make an example of you, Cass, I'm pretty sure I saw a tweet from you to Trump along the lines of "what the fuck is wrong with you." Did you think better of it and delete it? Apologies if I have this wrong. Regardless, there are people saying such things--and worse--to Trump on twitter, specifically tweeting these things to Trump. As awful as he is, he's still the POTUS. And saying such things isn't accomplishing anything. It is--imo, anyway--only empowering Trump and his defenders. Sometimes--usually, in fact--the high road is really hard. And that sucks. 1) I'm not the president nor am I even a public figure. and yes, that matters a lot. 2)" WTF is wrong with you" is IMO an appropriate response to that post out of our president. 3) I actually deleted my post within 5 minutes (perhaps within 2 minutes) because I thought better if it. unlike our president. 4) don't we have a rule about dragging in stuff from other sites? I own the post and I don't care, but... Re 2): I disagree. It's really not, imo. But then again, much of what Trump tweets isn't appropriate, either, even if it wasn't coming from the POTUS. Re 3): Yes that's what I assumed. And you're right imo, you can say to yourself "hmm, maybe not" and delete/correct something like that. Trump apparently can't (which is sad and pathetic, imo; he barely qualifies as an adult). Re 4): That rule--from my understanding and the language of the rule--is specific to "message-board style sites." Imo, general social media like twitter, Instagram, and FB doesn't qualify when the posts are fully public (private messages would be a different story). After all, we post/reference such things from other people all the time. But if your thinking is different, we can certainly talk about it.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 29, 2017 13:15:55 GMT -5
... I mean, sure, swearing at the President on Twitter is not exactly "taking the high road." But your equivocation is just ridiculous. Taking the high road because it's more effective is legitimate. But just asserting as a moral principle that one should always take the high road ignores the fact that politeness and etiquette serve a purpose, they are not an end in themselves. And sometimes, the situation calls for impolitic responses. I'm not saying profane Tweets are it, or that they accomplish anything. But enough of this bullshit tut-tutting at people who are rude to someone who is in the process of setting shit on fire. My position IS that taking the high road is more effective. The corollary: taking the low road (like Trump) is less effective. Hopefully for Trump, that will eventually play out. But I think it would happen quicker if people stopped following his lead. That's the point. And I'm not "tut-tutting," I'm noting--fairly, imo--that such responses are pointless/ineffective, in part because they are impolite.
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Post by robeiae on Jun 29, 2017 13:18:26 GMT -5
FYI, CNN is saying SHB will talk about the tweets in the upcoming briefing. Should be interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 13:27:33 GMT -5
I agree with Amadan's point. But since it's been brought up, I do want to say something about my swearing at Trump on twitter.
As Rob notes, it's not really surprising that Trump made a tweet like that -- it's in keeping with his general behavior. And yes, my tweet wasn't particularly high road (which is why I deleted it a couple of minutes later).
It was a purely emotional reaction on my part to a Trump tweet that I felt was particularly awful, on so many levels. I did literally gasp in horror when I saw it, had a yuuuuge sweep of empathy for Mika, and the result was "what the fuck is wrong with you?" Which, by the way, is something I might also say to a friend or family member who did something I found horrifying. Indeed I have done so on more than one occasion when someone did something I thought was cruel and wrong.
Why did I find his tweet so awful? Taking aside that it's just plain nasty and unpresidential, there is a level of particular cruelty and vindictiveness that took my breath away.
Mika is a woman of approximately 50 who, if Trump is to be believed, had a facelift. This tends to be something women keep quiet and do not blast unto the hilltops, because alas, there is both a stigma in getting older and in having cosmetic surgery to tweak it, especially if you are a woman in the public eye.
Mika apparently went to Mar-a-laga to recover from the operation, no doubt paying Trump through the goddamn nose for the privilege. Also no doubt, she wanted to be somewhere a bit out of the public eye. This was around New Year's eve, according to Trump -- which means it was before he became president and before Morning Joe came down on Trump as hard as they have been later. Their coverage of him during the election was quite a bit milder -- indeed, many thought Mika and Joe were in the tank for Trump (I think it's more like they were giving him the benefit of the doubt). At that time, Trump was a regular viewer of their show.
Because he's pissed that they are now criticizing his presidency (they are political commentators -- they are not his paid lackeys), he decided to broadcast Mika's private business to the goddamn world. That's fucking despicable.
Also, what's up with Trump and women and "bleeding"? This is not the first time he's gotten all worked up about a woman "bleeding", and I don't think it's a coincidence. Dude has yuuuuge sexist issues. Yuuuuuge.
And then, we move back again to the fact that he is PRESIDENT. President. Of the United States. He is not a private citizen or a reality TV star or a sports figure or a comedian. He is PRESIDENT.
Again, I had an emotional reaction which I regretted and promptly deleted. Trump doubles down. One of us is president, and the other isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 13:28:15 GMT -5
I'm taking a break from politics, media and posting for several days. I'll be back after the long weekend.
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