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Post by robeiae on Aug 20, 2017 14:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 21, 2017 10:27:47 GMT -5
Why should a NFL caliber quarterback go to the CFL? If the likes of Mark Sanchez, Mike Glennon, Kellen Moore, Blaine Gabbert, Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley, Geno Smith and The McCown brothers are good enough to be on the roster, Kaepernick definitely is.
Kaepernick is being blackballed, but that's no reason for him to go begging for work in the CFL. He can play in the NFL even though the league's owners and general managers have decided he can't.
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Post by Vince524 on Aug 21, 2017 10:49:08 GMT -5
Kaepernick should or shouldn't be on a team based on what he brings to the game, but the fact is however you feel, his opinion and stand by refusing to stand wasn't popular and more people are tuning out of NFL these days. He don't have a right to be put on any team, nor should he be punished for holding an unpopular opinion.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 21, 2017 12:17:02 GMT -5
Kaepernick should or shouldn't be on a team based on what he brings to the game, but the fact is however you feel, his opinion and stand by refusing to stand wasn't popular and more people are tuning out of NFL these days. The Blackballing of Colin Kaepernick is one of those reasons. At least it's a reason why I signed the Change.org petition #NoKaepernickNoNFL. I'm unsure if I will (or even can) go cold turkey on the NFL, but I haven't inquired about picking up the Sunday Ticket package and I haven't bought any new 49ers gear (because they're gonna suck again this year) and I'm two weeks away from my fantasy football draft and I'm not at all hyped for it. That's unusual for me. But the blackballing of Kaepernick has pushed me to this. There's no doubt he can play in this league, but playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Nobody can force an owner to sign him, but its transparent why Kap can't get a job while scrubs, retired players and CFL nobodies are. Beat up women, do drugs, kill dogs and you're NFL material. Take a knee in a peaceful protest against police brutality and you're untouchable. He doesn't. And he is.
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Post by robeiae on Aug 21, 2017 15:01:02 GMT -5
Beat up women, do drugs, kill dogs and you're NFL material. Take a knee in a peaceful protest against police brutality and you're untouchable. I agree that this is very much the message the NFL is sending. Kind of. Ray Rice never got back in, after all. Maybe it's "just don't do anything 'bad' when there's a camera nearby? Regardless, I also do agree that Kaepernick has been effectively blackballed by the teams in the NFL. Which is why I wondered about the CFL, because he can't play in the NFL if no one will give him a chance. And the longer it goes without him playing, the less likely it is that he'll get to ply again. He's not exactly a spring chicken. Turns 30 soon, right?
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 21, 2017 18:29:10 GMT -5
Beat up women, do drugs, kill dogs and you're NFL material. Take a knee in a peaceful protest against police brutality and you're untouchable. I agree that this is very much the message the NFL is sending. Kind of. Ray Rice never got back in, after all. Maybe it's "just don't do anything 'bad' when there's a camera nearby? Well, Kapernick has already said he's made his point and will stand for the national anthem, so he's being punished by the league for what he's done and not what he might do. No, a fan boycott on his behalf won't get much support and won't last 17 weeks and into the post-season. We like our football and protesting the way the owners are handling Kaepernick as if he can't play when they know he's a better backup QB than most teams not called The Patriots and definitely better than the starter for some teams (Brock Osweiler? Josh McCown? Tyrod Taylor?). Yeah. He turns 30 in November. Which would make him no spring chicken, but not ready to be fitted for a rocking chair either. Not when Tom Brady (39), Drew Brees (38), Eli Manning (36) and Philip Rivers (35) are still putting in work. Age is not the reason for Kaepernick not be signed to a team and the CFL is not an option. What's likely to happen is some quarterback will go down during the regular season and some desperate GM will break the emergency glass. Right now the Steelers are in the market for a backup with only an injured Landry Jones and a green as grass rookie backing up Ben Roethislisberger. One Pittsburgh sportswriter is already sounding the alarm. There's no shortage of unemployed quarterbacks walking the streets, but they're there for a reason and usually because they aren't good enough for the Big Show. Kaepernick not only is, he's led the 49ers to divisional championships and a Super Bowl where they narrowly lost. Kaepernick made three really stupid moves during his taking a knee protest. He was spotting wearing socks with pigs decked out as cops. He rocked a Fidel Castro T-shirt. He admitted he didn't vote in the last election which made him look like a hypocrite as well as a dumb-ass. None of that was a violation of NFL rules or policy. Kaepernick was not disciplined, sanctioned, suspended or banned by the league and his former teammates on the 49ers voted him the winner of the Len Eshmont Award for the most courageous player. Former teammates and coaches, active players and coaches, GM's, pundits and just plain folks have sang Kaepernick's praises in hopes he'd land in one of 31 destinations in the NFL after leaving San Francisco. It hasn't happened and I have a bet with my brother it won't happen this season. That's how much the NFL powers-that-be HATE the guy. They'd rather lose with a total scrub than win with Kaepernick. If that's not collusion, I need another definition.
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Post by robeiae on Aug 22, 2017 7:29:25 GMT -5
Yeah. He turns 30 in November. Which would make him no spring chicken, but not ready to be fitted for a rocking chair either. Not when Tom Brady (39), Drew Brees (38), Eli Manning (36) and Philip Rivers (35) are still putting in work. Age is not the reason for Kaepernick not be signed to a team and the CFL is not an option. No, age is not the reason Kaepernick is not being signed to a cotract. I agree. But Kaepernick--like almost all pro athletes--has a limited window to earn with his talent. Hence my curiosity about the CFL. If it's not his bag, it's not his bag, of course.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 23, 2017 11:03:13 GMT -5
Yeah. He turns 30 in November. Which would make him no spring chicken, but not ready to be fitted for a rocking chair either. Not when Tom Brady (39), Drew Brees (38), Eli Manning (36) and Philip Rivers (35) are still putting in work. Age is not the reason for Kaepernick not be signed to a team and the CFL is not an option. No, age is not the reason Kaepernick is not being signed to a cotract. I agree. But Kaepernick--like almost all pro athletes--has a limited window to earn with his talent. Hence my curiosity about the CFL. If it's not his bag, it's not his bag, of course. Yeah, but once you've starred on Broadway, are you going to be satisfied doing dinner theater? Sorry to all the CFL fans (both of you), but there's no comparison between the two football leagues. And Kaepernick's worth $22 million, so he doesn't need to play purely for the $$$. Despite not speaking to the press about his football-playing aspirations, Kaepernick has never expressed any desire to go north to continue his career. Why should he? He knows his own talent and he knows he's good enough to play in the NFL. Nobody has given Kap a chance to play and I have a standing bet nobody will. I'd love to pay off that bet, but I doubt I will.
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Post by Vince524 on Aug 23, 2017 13:11:50 GMT -5
Beat up women, do drugs, kill dogs and you're NFL material. Take a knee in a peaceful protest against police brutality and you're untouchable. I agree that this is very much the message the NFL is sending. Kind of. Ray Rice never got back in, after all. Maybe it's "just don't do anything 'bad' when there's a camera nearby? Well, what it comes down to is don't make them look bad. Like anything else. The NFL, like many, will sell their own to avoid bad publicity. They'll also be the first to sweep bad behavior under the rug if they can. It comes down to what costs them more $, not what's right. However one feels about what Kaepernick did, it was his right to do it.
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Post by nighttimer on Aug 23, 2017 15:35:31 GMT -5
I agree that this is very much the message the NFL is sending. Kind of. Ray Rice never got back in, after all. Maybe it's "just don't do anything 'bad' when there's a camera nearby? Well, what it comes down to is don't make them look bad. Like anything else. The NFL, like many, will sell their own to avoid bad publicity. They'll also be the first to sweep bad behavior under the rug if they can. It comes down to what costs them more $, not what's right. However one feels about what Kaepernick did, it was his right to do it. Sigh. Beg to differ. What it comes down to is the NFL (Negroes For Lease) is it doesn't matter if you've had substance abuse issues and it doesn't matter if you're caught on camera breaking a woman's jaw and it doesn't matter if you've been accused (or convicted) of sexual assault or rape and it doesn't matter how much of a drunk, drug addled, sociopath you are as long as you can line up on Sunday for 60 minutes, throw your body around like a wrecking ball and make money for the old White guys in their luxury boxes. Take what the owner of America's Team, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry "Shadow Commissioner" Jones, said about players taking a knee, “I just feel so strongly that the act of recognizing the flag is a salute to our country and all of the people that have sacrificed so that we can have the liberties we have. So, I feel very strongly, everyone should, save that moment for recognition of the flag in a positive way. So I like the way the Cowboys do it.” Here's something else the Cowboys do. They sign guys with serious character issues and bad publicity due to bad behavior doesn't matter if Jones believes you can win a few games for the Cowboys, right, Greg Hardy? Thus far, no player on the Cowboys has taken a knee, sat on the bench, or raised a fist during the playing of the national anthem. They don't dare. Them boys know what side their bread is buttered on. So do other players who might be as upset as Colin Kaepernick was with police brutality, but are more fearful of the consequences of emulating his controversial and likely career-ending decision.I get the why behind the timidity of Vernon Davis's "keep your head down and STFU" viewpoint. Davis played with Kaepernick in San Francisco and said he was "a great leader." Yet, he's not going to stick his neck out in support of Kaepernick. Roster cuts start next week in the NFL and 30-something players vying for a job at a position where there's already talent ahead of him are not in a position to be making waves. A few seasons back, Kaepernick signed a $126 million contract with the 49ers, but while that sounds like an impressive pile of cash, unlike NBA and MLB, NFL players don't enjoy fully guaranteed contracts. The only money they can count on is the signing bonus. Kaepernick only collected $39 million of that $126 million contract. A nice little nest egg, but even a total scrub in the other major leagues would be cashing checks for a much longer time. You can't ask another man to give up his money and livelihood for your cause and NFL players don't have the longest careers or greatest financial security anyway. Vernon Davis is probably playing it smart to come off like Stepin' Fetchit in front of a hot mic and keep his true feelings on the low-low when he's around friends and family. The hell of it is silence won't save Davis. Run too slow or drop too many balls and he's gone. Come in overweight and he's gone. Give the coaches grief and he's gone. Make a cut on the field and tear an ACL or blow out a knee and he's gone. The NFL also stands for "Not For Long." All of this Davis is well aware of. But that's no reason to hasten an end to his time in the NFL. Not unless he wants to be on the outside looking in like the guy he used to catch footballs from.
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Post by nighttimer on Sept 22, 2017 22:13:24 GMT -5
This is your president. This is your president on crack. “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he’s fired!’ You know, some owner is gonna do that. He’s gonna say, ‘That guy that disrespects our flag, he’s fired.’ And that owner, they don’t know it. They don’t know it. They’re friends of mine, many of them. They don’t know it. They’ll be the most popular person, for a week. They’ll be the most popular person in this country.
“When the NFL ratings are down massively, massively. The NFL ratings are down massively. Now the number one reason happens to be they like watching what’s happening … with yours truly. They like what’s happening. Because you know today if you hit too hard: Fifteen yards! Throw him out of the game! They had that last week. I watched for a couple minutes. Two guys, just really, beautiful tackle. Boom, 15 yards! The referee gets on television, his wife is sitting at home, she’s so proud of him. They’re ruining the game! They’re ruining the game! That’s what they want to do. They want to hit. They want to hit! It is hurting the game.
“But do you know what’s hurting the game more than that? When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they’re playing our great national anthem. They only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium. I guarantee it will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore, anyway.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 22:27:10 GMT -5
This is your president. This is your president on crack. I'm not sure Trump's Twitter account would look any different if he were on crack. Trump's remarks complaining about penalties for hitting hard are particularly ill-timed given the current publicity around Aaron Hernandez's diagnosis of CTE. As usual, he sounds like the complete jackass he is.
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Post by Vince524 on Sept 23, 2017 6:32:18 GMT -5
No President of the United States should be calling for someone to be fired because they exercised their 1st amendment rights.
Big ass period at the end of that.
His #1 job is to uphold and defend the constitution. That's 1 big fail there.
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Post by Don on Sept 23, 2017 7:01:05 GMT -5
Oh, gee, how terrible that a sport that represents the core values of modern American culture is being destroyed by another core value of modern American culture, politics.
A sport that ritualizes violence, regularly dips into taxpayer pockets for hundreds of millions to pay for arenas where millionaires play at the expense of the masses, that never return the benefits to the community that are promised, a sport that recruits violent, misogynistic assholes and pays them outrageous sums for exhibiting anti-social behavior, then promotes them as exemplary human beings, and sends a disproportionate number of its participants to an early grave, all while promoting the paradigm of violent competition over peaceful cooperation.
Finally, a positive impact of politics on civil society.
I find it amazing that of all the sins that commercial football commits against both community and civility, political protest is apparently the only unforgivable one.
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Post by Don on Sept 23, 2017 7:17:13 GMT -5
No President of the United States should be calling for someone to be fired because they exercised their 1st amendment rights. Big ass period at the end of that. His #1 job is to uphold and defend the constitution. That's 1 big fail there. The president should not be taking sides on a commercial issue, but referring to this as a 1st amendment issue is a red herring. Fedgov did nothing to limit speech; that's on the team owners. That said, actors on stage who flub their lines are always subject to dismissal. He had a role to play as the uncritical all-American hero, and he intentionally ditched the script. That'll get you fired on any movie set, stage, or news channel in the country.
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