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Post by Don on Oct 30, 2017 20:31:40 GMT -5
I wonder what people would think if they all had to stand and sing the national anthem before they started work each day? Or stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Oh, wait, they already learned that in government school.
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Post by Christine on Oct 30, 2017 21:02:08 GMT -5
I wonder what people would think if they all had to stand and sing the national anthem before they started work each day? Or stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance? Oh, wait, they already learned that in government school. You know, if I let myself think on it too long, I get a little ragey. The good news is I think the kids are all but inoculated against any sort of true allegiance as a result of being required to say it by rote every day. I take heart in the prospect that all those bored voices in unison are rebels in the making.
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Post by nighttimer on Oct 30, 2017 21:18:24 GMT -5
While on the field, I expect the players to do their jobs on the field. On the sidelines, it's exploitative to use them as props for bullshit acts of faux patriotism designed by the NFL and the military. He's on the sidelines, but still in uniform and on the clock. So the NFL can impose standards for how he behaves. And yes, I understand that he did the knee thing because it was supposed to be better than not standing. Regardless, it's seen as making a statement, while sitting could be seen as just not wanting to participate.
I'm not saying the NFL should do that, but I think it would be reasonable to tell players if your within public view while in uniform, don't make any political statements. Stay in the locker room or just don't stand during the anthem. Your not telling them to do something, just not to. If he stayed in his seat, at this point, everyone would know why anyway. The NFL is in a no win scenario. If they force him to stand if he wants to play, they're infringing on his 1st amendment rights and seen as bullies like Trump. If they don't, a lot of people who are looking to be outraged over something will be outraged over this. We've had calls calling for us to not offer any NFL packages here because of this. (Not a lot, but still. And no, we're still offering.) I think, personally, most people are being stupid. If you disagree with him, fine. But people are dumb.
HE has a name. His name is Colin Rand Kaepernick and you are doing that same thing you do ALL THE TIME. You refuse to give the person you're bitching about the respect of even naming them and because you do so deliberately it is annoying as hell. Yes, Kaepernick did make a statement. It wasn't a statement about the national anthem or the fucking flag or any of these other distractions, sideshows and off-the-wall horseshit Trump, Jerrah Jones and these other White men are pissing and moaning about and blaming a shitty season on. What the statement was and is and has always been is about something neither Trump, nor Jones, nor you ever mention and that is the slaughtering of Black people like Philando Castile by trigger-happy cops who kill without restraint knowing they will get away with murder. I know Trump doesn't think killing Black people is bigger than football and I know Jones doesn't think killing Black people is bigger than football and I'm sure you'll say killing Black people is bigger than pro football, but the way you shut out the facts and deny or ignore the facts leaves the impression you really don't. Not that I want an answer because you don't owe me one. Not that it matters. Kaepernick is not going to play in the NFL. Not this season and likely not the next either. That's how blackballing works and with the season half-over and Kap still waiting for a call where his former team has now dumped Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley, the two scrubs they brought in to replace him, and the rookie they drafted proved himself not ready for the big time. Today, the winless Niners traded a 2nd round-pick to the Patriots for Tom Brady's backup, Jimmy Garappolo. The Niners gave Hoyer a $4M signing bonus, $150,000 workout bonus, $2.95M guaranteed salary and he gave them four TDS, four interceptions for six losses and no wins. Money well spent. They are a dumpster fire trying not to go winless, hence a move that smacks less of inspiration and more of desperation. Garappolo will take one look at the barren roster and start weeping uncontrollably. He probably was hoping for a chance to start somewhere, but go to a winless team with virtually NO talent at most of the skill positions and Garappolo is well and truly FUCKED. But he's in the league and Hoyer will land somewhere else where he can stink up the joint. Just play, baby and anyone with a pulse can play quarterback in the NFL. Anyone not named Kaepernick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 22:23:09 GMT -5
I have not noticed Vince "deliberately" failing to use names, and indeed, since neither of us are in his brain, I'm not sure how either of us could say whether he is doing it "deliberately" or not. For my part, I never noticed a pattern of Vince failing to use names at all.
Even if there were such a pattern, it may be that he, like me, has to double-check the spelling of Kaepernick every time he types it.
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Post by Optimus on Oct 30, 2017 22:44:09 GMT -5
I wonder what people would think if they all had to stand and sing the national anthem before they started work each day? I have nothing to say other than I like it when poet posts here and I wish he would do it more often.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 22:44:43 GMT -5
I wonder what people would think if they all had to stand and sing the national anthem before they started work each day? I have nothing to say other than I like it when poet posts here and I wish he would do it more often. +1
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Post by nighttimer on Oct 31, 2017 3:24:55 GMT -5
I have not noticed Vince "deliberately" failing to use names, and indeed, since neither of us are in his brain, I'm not sure how either of us could say whether he is doing it "deliberately" or not. For my part, I never noticed a pattern of Vince failing to use names at all. For my part, I have. It's unnecessary to be Vince's brain when my eyes can go back through this thread as well as other threads where it has occurred. I've noticed it happen enough to suspect this may be by commission instead of omission. You not noticing the pattern does not mean the pattern does not exist. Then it's a good thing its right there in the title of the thread.
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Post by nighttimer on Oct 31, 2017 4:09:13 GMT -5
Just to make it clear... THIS is not disrespectful to the national anthem or the flag. THIS is disrespectful to the flag. THIS is disrespectful to the national anthem. So is this. And this a toy cop going as "Colin Kaepernick" and a Racist for Halloween and that's just disrespectful all the way around. It also feeds disrespect for the police. Glad to be of help.
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Post by CG Admin on Oct 31, 2017 7:42:54 GMT -5
]For my part, I have. It's unnecessary to be Vince's brain when my eyes can go back through this thread as well as other threads where it has occurred. I've noticed it happen enough to suspect this may be by commission instead of omission. You not noticing the pattern does not mean the pattern does not exist. The last is true. There are many patterns among posters, some obvious, some not so much. Focusing on this particular one--if it exists at all and I don't think it does--doesn't get us anywhere. It's just coming across as a way to criticize Vince-the-person, as opposed to criticizing what Vince has said. So...cut it out, please.
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Post by nighttimer on Oct 31, 2017 13:13:54 GMT -5
It's a pretty good trick to blame lousy ratings on a guy who hasn't played all season.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 31, 2017 15:50:46 GMT -5
It's a pretty good trick to blame lousy ratings on a guy who hasn't played all season. Sure, but I wouldn't put it past them. There's a loud, vocal few that have gone bat crap crazy over this. I had someone call the other day, demanding we do something, as if I have any ability to do anything about Kaepernick or anyone else taking a knee. But if ratings are falling, someone's got to be to blame. Right? The powers that be might as blame Kaepernick than accepting responsibility for it themselves.
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Post by poetinahat on Oct 31, 2017 19:12:13 GMT -5
I wonder what people would think if they all had to stand and sing the national anthem before they started work each day? I have nothing to say other than I like it when poet posts here and I wish he would do it more often. If I had the political chops and the intestinal fortitude, I would. I'm a better audience than combatant here -- I spend a lot of time here thinking, "Oh, she's right"... then "Oh, but he's right too", and, "Hey, he's also got a point" - so I can man the mainsheet, but don't let me take the tiller. please, y'all, check your tip jars.
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Post by Vince524 on Oct 31, 2017 19:16:02 GMT -5
We have tip jars.
And remember, I've always got a point.
It's on top of my head.
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Post by nighttimer on Nov 4, 2017 10:10:59 GMT -5
Kapernick's Kollusion Kase Kontinues...It's still an uphill climb for Kaepernick as he's shooting a water gun at a entity in the NFL and its owners which have unlimited resources to throw at him. Still, its not an impossible climb as the recent season ending injury to rookie star QB Deshaun Watson indicates and two scrubs off the street were signed by the Houston Texans. The same Houston Texans owned by Bob "can't have the inmates running the prison" McNair. Looks like collusion. Smells like collusion. Is it collusion? Ehhhh...could be, rabbit.
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Post by poetinahat on Nov 5, 2017 20:55:31 GMT -5
The mechanics of the situation remind me a lot of a case here in Australia. For years, Australian drivers find that petrol (gasoline) prices uniformly go up by 10-15 cents a litre (~40-60 cents a gallon) on Thursday or Friday, then drop again on Monday morning. It happens everywhere - all stations. The Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) conducted a study into the matter. They found that, while the industry is a "comfortable oligopoly", there was no hard evidence of collusion. Rather, the handful of companies all just respond to competition very quickly - basically, simultaneously. So they get away with it. It seems like a similar deal might be playing out here: "We're not colluding... we're just doing exactly the same thing, at exactly the same time, for exactly the same reasons. Just a coincidence!" (suppressed smirk) It's perfume on a turd, though.
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